How tankies and MAGAts view the Ukraine war
How tankies and MAGAts view the Ukraine war
I hate how “anti-war” has been hijacked by these people to mean, let imperialist countries invade whoever they want with no consequences. (in the case of tankies, any imperialist country that isn’t in NATO).
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Is there a "trying to fit everything you don't like into a fallacy in order to dismiss it outright" fallacy?
There is the "fallacy fallacy," but that's slightly different I believe (though you're also doing that one).
But I'll indulge: You know nobody was referring specifically to the National Socialist party of 1930s Germany. Don't be obtuse.
If you try to infer that the argument of your opponent can be dismissed because of their character, then it is a clear argumentum ad hominem
That's not what's being inferred.
Then explain what is being inferred.
Since you seem to be a little thick: you're being called a Nazi apologist because you're effectively providing excuses for why Russia's fascist dictator was right to invade Ukraine, or at the very least isn't to blame. It's a horseshit narrative because Putin alone is in charge of his army and Ukraine has not done anything a sovereign nation shouldn't be allowed to do.
It's a direct attack on your position, which appears to apologize for a fascist dictator invading a sovereign nation. It's neatly wrapped in the form of an insult, but that doesn't make it an ad hominem by and of itself. For that to be the case, he'd have to call you a Nazi and not bother addressing what you said. But he directly addressed it, by stating that he believes your argument is apologizing for a fascist dictator. Hence it attacks your position, hence it's not an ad hominem.
I’m not too thick to understand you have no way of knowing the intent of @[email protected]. I’m not defending Putin’s egregious invasion. But, that doesn’t mean I can’t recognize American imperialism had a hand in it’s provocation.
By stating it was provoked, you're defending Putin. Unleashing rape and murder on a civilian population is not something you "provoke". Ukraine has a sovereign right to wish to join NATO or the EU, as any sovereign nation does. Putin does not get a vote in that.
Remember the many times Russia tried to join NATO? Probably not.
Yes, and I remember Russia demanding unreasonable terms as a condition for entering. They sabotaged that themselves. Russia demanded all kinds of foreign policy from NATO and demanded a special status within the alliance. They also did not want to follow the normal procedure for joining, like the other members did.
This is all from your own source by the way. Did you even read it or are you just throwing links around hoping people don't read them?
Then, surely you are aware that American “Shock Therapy” created the conditions that led to the current situation.
Which is also irrelevant, because it doesn't in any way excuse Putins decision to invade Ukraine, raping and killing innocent civilians as a result.
Regardless, Russia is and always was a sovereign nation. The US can advise whatever they like, Russian leadership ultimately decided what actually got implemented. Not to mention the pretty terrible state the Soviet economy was in already.