After Democrats lost the working class, union leaders say it's time to 'reconstruct the Democratic Party'
After Democrats lost the working class, union leaders say it's time to 'reconstruct the Democratic Party'
The long-term erosion of working-class support for Democrats reached a crisis for a party that views itself as the champion of workers.
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the party is hopelesslty corrupted and wont even acknowledge why they lost. Its time to dump the dems and build up a progressive party.
That would be after FPTP voting is replaced with RCV or STAR in all 50 states. Trying a third party before those steps will hand the federal government to the GOP for the remainder of my life.
That would be after FPTP voting is replaced with RCV or STAR in all 50 states.
If we ever get that, there will be a new "that would be after" to replace it. If Democrats want to stop Republicans and are so worried about splitting the vote, maybe Democrats should abstain from running.
They're clearly not up to the task and would rather appease fascists here and abroad.
Not really. What you're asking for is for some unknown third party (like the Pacific Greens 😂😂😂) to pop up into place and immediately take the national reigns like a boss. That ain't happening, bruv, otherwise it already would have. Ditching FPTP at least gives the average voter the opportunity to vote for different people (like Sanders not having to caucus with Democrats, or Working Families Party not having to caucus with Democrats, etc).
Or you can sit back and vote third party in a defacto two party system. It's worked well so far. 🤷🤷♀️🤷♂️
Ditching FPTP at least gives the average voter the opportunity to vote for different people
And it only requires having people who are willing to pass it in office. Which isn't ever going to happen. Which means it's a great prerequisite that needs to be met before something you don't want to happen.
Perhaps in your state, but in Oregon, we can bring initiatives to the ballot through voter signatures. It's how we got RCV in Multnomah county, and it's how the (failed) Measure 117 landed on our ballot this year. Sadly, it was badly written and Oregon voters are gunshy after the (also horribly written and implemented) Measure 110 (narcotics decriminalization) got onto the ballot.
Perhaps in your state,
Yeah. No real referendums in my state. So naturally we'll need it in all 50 before we consider changing the sweetheart deal centrist Democrats and their Republican buddies have.
Absolutely this.
How many times are we gonna be Charlie Brown trying to kick the football before Lucy pulls the ball away?
This party isn't here for us. They do not represent our best interests. They simply care about the ruling class/ultra wealthy.
They have purposely not followed through on their campaign promises so many times. Time to dump them.
DNC isn't getting my vote anymore. Time for a new party.
That's all well and good, if you want to lose elections for the foreseeable future.
Because it takes a long, long time to build up a new party and have it actually win federal elections.
By then we won't have elections anymore.
I love how splitting the vote cost them a few seats, and your plan is to split the vote.
That’s not necessarily the way to “build a progressive party”.
On the right-wing side think of how MAGA has overshadowed “Republican”, eating it from the inside.
Hating people is easy. Caring about them is (apparently) hard. Quicker, easier, more seductive is MAGA compared to being progressive.
Totally, but MAGA took decades to sprout from a Tea Party seed, or further back even.
I still call them teabaggers, or more appropriately, TeaBirchers, since what is now branded "MAGA" (eyeroll), and for a brief period of time called "teabaggers" [1], is the same warmed-over shit from the Birchers, basically.
[1] Though they scream and lie about it now, they called themselves teabaggers. Some of them did not know about the sexual term, but I'm sure some did, and hoped to use it as a way they were going to be sexually dominating others and then laughing about it later. Once Maddow and others started openly mocking them for it, they figured it might not work out like they thought and then pretended the MEAN LIBERALS are the ones that called them this. I kept getting banned from Denver Post forums for calling them by their original name, because they had teabagging moderators.