Soviet (right) and Nazi officers celebrating the joint invasion of Poland as their countries both embarked on a genocide of the Polish people, Brest, modern-day Belarus, 1939
Soviet (right) and Nazi officers celebrating the joint invasion of Poland as their countries both embarked on a genocide of the Polish people, Brest, modern-day Belarus, 1939
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Here's a couple observations: you attempted to discredit what I said by invoking the straw man argument while asserting what "you people" all do in the same breath.
You also ended your last comment by offering the false dichotomy that my 2 options are "backing off my false claims" or not acting in good faith.
Third, for how active you are in commenting and debating, it's disingenuous at best to pretend that my assumptions were random words strung together. If you comment in lemmy.ml on any of the omnipresent Chinese or Russian-centric posts with anything other than adoration, you're banned.. Criticism isn't allowed in any of the major communities there and you're obviously aware of that.
You're not the paragon of fairness, honesty, or logic that you'd like us to believe.
If you comment in lemmy.ml on any of the omnipresent Chinese or Russian-centric posts with anything other than adoration, you’re banned… Criticism isn’t allowed in any of the major communities there and you’re obviously aware of that.
That's demonstrably false, and you're obviously aware of that.
If all you're interested in is strawmanning, ad hominem, and repeated lies, then I'm not interested in continuing this conversation.
"If all you're interested in is describing the exact experience of a lot of people, all I can do is disengage because I have no leg to stand on."
The Uyghur genocide is an abomination, don't you agree?
See, this is why the correct approach to bad faith actors is to never give an inch, because they'll just keep going on the offensive and jumping to new topics, no matter how reasonably you treat them. Because they're acting in bad faith and don't actually care what you actually believe, they just want to make you look bad.
Unfortunately, I'm nice so I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt even when I shouldn't. Allow me to correct my mistake.
Ahem. Why do you support Israel's genocide, fascist? Lots of people have seen people like you supporting it so you must too. Denounce it right now or it'll prove you hate Palestinians.
Don't worry, if you do, I'll have another accusation ready and waiting for you, just like how you do.
That would be a reasonable thing to suggest if my account was on the americafirst.trump2024 server and I replied to a picture of the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians with a picture of a Palestinian doing something fucked up.
Genocide is an abomination, whether it's the Israeli government doing it to the Palestinians or the Chinese government doing it to the Uyghurs. We can all agree on that, right?
...right?
Do you denounce the Biden administration's restrictions on trans healthcare?
If you do, I'll have another thing to demand you to denounce right after. I'll throw your tactics right back in your face.
This exchange has been the same thing I've repeatedly seen or personally experienced with tankies.
They end up thinking that their "gotcha" will be expressing fucked up Western policies or actions. They do this because, as I originally stated, they hate the thing they know (Western capitalism) and therefore embrace "the other thing" to feel like they're on the "right" side. They assume that everyone else is doing the same, and that by being critical of Communist governments, we must love Western governments.
And as I also said up front, THEY'RE BOTH SHIT, and if you can't see that, you're very simple. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. You're not on the good guys' side just because they're opposed to the bad guys. It's the Crips vs the Bloods, not Batman vs the Joker.
I hope you wake up to this very basic truth someday, but I've continued this conversation more for other people, to show them the holes in your line of thinking.
Are you still pretending like you were acting in good faith? Lmao. First you jumped down my throat with baseless accusations, then you demanded that I criticize Russia, then when I did, you sensed blood in the water and came after me even harder.
You know for a fact at this point that your accusations were false, you don't care. Because it was never about saying things that you actually believe, it was about going on the offensive and saying anything to make me look bad.
I don't care about making you look bad. I'm throwing light onto some fucked up beliefs that get dressed up with "fuck America!" to make them more attractive to simple minds. The fact that you embrace these beliefs is irrelevant to me. This is for the reader, not you.
It does bring context to your righteous indignation that you've so closely tied the discrediting of your beliefs to a personal attack.
Thank you for admitting it was just about trying to make another side look bad and that you had no interest in what I actually believed. That's the first honest thing you've said this conversation.
For those playing at home, here's a recap: being critical of Communist regimes makes you a "bad actor" (Jesus, tankies love that term. It's their magical spell that they invoke to avoid having to defend the asinine beliefs), I've committed every argument fallacy known to man, and all I care about it making someone look bad by virtue of speaking to their own claims.
If you'd like a more personalized experience, head on over to lemmy.ml and suggest that China's current, very well-documented genocide exists. You can be a bad actor too!
People who take this approach are very wrapped up in identify, which is clearly the case for the person I've been having fun with if you care to check out their comment history. They need to be part of a group and feel righteous. They need all the lines defined for them. As is so often the case, they repeat big and little lies without really understanding what they're saying.
They're the same type of people who identify the horrors perpetuated by the Republican party so they say they're a die-hard Democrat. And to head off the next inevitable reply, no, both sides aren't the same. But they serve the same master, and neither gives 2 fucks about the well being or will of the people.
[email protected] needs to have a very rigorous identify to the point of not understanding or caring to understand what it is their chosen group actually believes or does. It's about belonging and feelings like they're in control.
All my homies hate the atrocities committed under Western capitalism AND the CCP's version of it. If you think it's about anything other than power and control for the wealthy, you're just another one of their tools.
That’s demonstrably false
It's demonstrably true and has been widely discussed for at least a year now.
The fact that some critical comments got removed does not prove that "anything other than adoration" results in a ban.
You're absolutely right, I could say "China is a country with over 1.4 billion people" and not get banned, despite that not being adoration.
Yet any common or good-faith reading of that phrase would not imply that neutral statements are included under the ban.
Any other bailey you'd like to run to?
What's your demanded ratio for censorship to count as censorship? 1 removed for every 10 that remain? 1-1? 2-1? 10-1?