Due process means the law was fairly applied and their rights were respected.

Additional sentencing was added, a parent or parents went to jail and their kids were taken from them.

that would be the default assumption.

Trusting the government to do the right thing is a poor idea. Politicians will only do the "right" thing if it helps them out.

I agree with you there. The kids are not under a gag order though. Is there any other article or source that indicates a different situation from the one described here?

That usually starts trickling out much later, look at how long it took for the truth to come out about troubled youth camps.

Source? It’s an official govt program being run by a judge.

I'll know this may sound strange but just because it's a government program does not mean due process is followed. Loss of custody was not part of sentencing, these are additional conditions applied after sentencing.

Worse than grooming the kids to be crime lords? It’s a closely scrutinised program, and nobody’s calling shenanigans on the implementation, not even the kids being interviewed.

The interviews published were hand selected, the articles are very biased. I'll sumerize a different way, only 3 of the 100 kids taken from their parents did not speak poorly about their experience.

I am not seeing a reason that it would be a definite failure.

One of the foster centers is the Catholic church. Nothing mixes better than Catholic priests and children.

Did you miss my big, big disclaimer? “excepting the potential for abuse of this precedent”.

Only in a perfect scenario would there be no abuse, so it's nonsensical to ignore it. The reality is how bad will the abuse have to be before this program is deemed a failure.

Given that the parents and family have proven themselves to be bad influences and unfit guardians, why would we WANT to continue exposing the kids to their influence?

There was no due process to kidnap the kids. Part of the parents sentence was not loss of custody. If you look at history the state has been a much more terrible guardian.

The mafia have been managing it for generations, so that option obviously doesn’t work.

Italy needs to get serious on imprisonment for career criminals, they don't.

We’ve had this discussion many times, though from the opposite side. School and education is for teaching kids facts and about the world, but they do not (nor should they) have the capacity to be substitute parents. And that’s for neglectful parents, much less parents who are actively teaching the kids negative values.

It's not morality to teach kids about all the options they can choose to earn a living.

All in all, excepting the potential for abuse of this precedent, I’m not sure why this is such a bad thing.

It astounding that you can't think of why government kidnapping is a bad thing. They have no right to take kids from homes because they want to "tame the savages".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schools

There's a wealth of options inbetween nothing and kidnapping children. Education is probably the best, showing kids they have better options will do wonders. Another option is to imprison mafia members, it's much more difficult to influence children from prison.

There have been multiple Supreme Court cases regarding the scope presidential immunity.

Mississippi v. Johnson (1867) Spalding v. Vilas (1896) Barr v. Matteo (1959) Chippewa Tribe v. Carlucci (1973) National Treasury Employees Union v. Nixon (1974) Nixon v. Fitzgerald (1982) Clinton v. Jones (1994)

Exactly it was the lower courts opnion that presidential immunity never applied. SCOTUS simply said there are instances when it does. The lower courts will make determinations on specific instances and if challenged those specific instances can reviewed by SCOTUS.

2021 set that precedent, that was Max's signature move. Brake late to get ahead on the inside, go wide, and push your opponent off the track.

FDRs policies did not get the U.S. economy turned around it was the war. The economy did not improve in FDRs first 8 years unemployment was between 15-20% then pearl harbor, the draft, and a huge increase in military spending, happened and unemployment dropped to 5%.

I though the only distinction was for medical vehicles and military vehicles. There is a whole class of vehicles called Technical which is pretty much a pickup with a heavy machine gun mounted to it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_(vehicle)

Could easily make it 20 1st and 2nd are in with bye all 3rd and top 2 4th play each other. The down side group play will be meaningless.

Mexican Agriculture Minister Victor Villalobos also participated in the meeting. He suggested that in future Mexican inspectors could take the place of the U.S. personnel who currently handle the checks.

I wonder how much of a kickback Victor gets for looking the other way.

Attract more skilled workers by making the conditions worse. This has to make the top 10 worse economic government decisions list.

How you treat them doesn't change that they've lost rights expressly enumerated in the constitution.

Criminals do not keep all their constitutional rights, when they are incarcerated they are not free to move about or posses many things. Felons on probation are not allowed to associate with other felons.

The most famous tank hobbyists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqV-LyhduSM

The flip side of that coin is if there are not enough opportunities for the current population adding more people is not a good idea.

You don’t even have to go as far as calling it a Russian hoax. In April of this year, the Republican-led House Oversight Committee investigating Hunter’s laptop found no wrongdoing. Do you believe the Republican House Committee specially tasked with finding in timing evidence in his emails are also part of the hoax?

No, the Russian hoax was a false claim that the laptop and the emails were fake. No evidence of wrong doing by Joe does not change the authenticity of the laptop.

Would you rather I double-down on the wrong thing? No wait that’s what Republicans do.

You just keep changing the reason you objected to my reply, first it was asking for a source, then the source "didn't prove shit", then Hunter confirming emails shut you up about that, then you bounced to its not relivent, now you seem to be arguing that there is no evidence of wrong doing by Joe, which is strange as I've been saying that through this thread.

You’re making up an accusation I made about you.

Also you

It’s fucking HILARIOUS watching you try to build a case against him because there is none. But you’re incapable of admitting it, just like the Republicans leading the impeachment inquiry.

There's no reason to lie.

I’m simply looking for you to directly address that this is not related to Joe and that Hunter is irrelevant. Why won’t you just state it?

Emails showing Hunter and his buddies trying to set up corrupt deals with Joe isn't relivent? That's certainly worth looking into.

In other words, would it be more/less/same relevance for me to post an article about some shit one of TFG’s kids may or may not have done?

Who is TFG? If TFG is an elected official and there is evidence of TFGs kids scheming to involve TFG then yes.

I didn’t dismiss your article, I said it had no proof of anything, which it didn’t. You needed to supplement that article with additional evidence to confirm it was accurate, then I stopped mentioning it, didn’t I?

It did, they had emails from Hunters laptop. You weren't one of those idiots that believed it was a Russian hoax were you? It has been know for quite some time that the emails were authentic.

I know our threads can be hard to follow sometimes but that’s because you keep deflecting and forgetting the topic.

It's more you bounce to new things after you're proved wrong.

Yes, because the House can do that. 7 months into this inquiry and nothing has happened because there’s no evidence of wrongdoing.

*No evidence of wrong doing by Joe.

Further don't speak on this event like you're an expert you were totally unaware of the details.

So you’re aware proceedings are still going on because they haven’t been able to find any wrongdoing, yeah?

Rember my 1st post when I said Joe hasn't been implicated... That hasn't changed with the fact you just learned.

Who’s riled? I’m simply asking for evidence that neither you nor the house have been able to find for 7 months now. I think you’re the riled one, posturing about it like it matters in the face of 7 months of dead ends.

It looks like you forgot or are lieing again (my money is on the latter), I never claimed there was evidence of wrong doing by Joe.

Honestly I’m not even mad. It’s fucking HILARIOUS watching you try to build a case against him because there is none. But you’re incapable of admitting it, just like the Republicans leading the impeachment inquiry. Otherwise you already would’ve. You’re just deep into the sunk cost fallacy rn and flailing.

Please show me where I said there's evidence of wrong doing by Joe? I guess this is what you're weasling to now, it's kind of pathetic that you have to make things up.

I haven’t once dismissed away anything you’ve provided evidence for

Also you

Hahahaha that article doesn’t have proof of shit.

There's no reason to lie about things.

I’m simply asking you why you give enough of a shit to follow Hunter at all and discuss him on a Political community

There was an impeachment inquiry into Joe based in part by the content of Hunter's laptop. Instead of choosing to be ignorant on the matter I followed the proceedings. I responded because I knew my 100% factual statement correcting the liberal narrative would rile up you and your comrades.