That's generally what you hear from people who have basic use cases and simply can't fathom other people may want or need different things from their devices.

Which is fine, they don't have to understand. If stock is good enough for them nowadays, more power to them.

What I'm sick of is the condescension. This bizarre thing where they somehow think a person wanting control over a device they paid for is worthy of derision or shame.

It's like if someone who only checks their email on their laptop laughing at someone using a desktop for heavier work, for no real reason other than thinking using technology differently than themselves is silly.

That other comment is a perfect example, and indictive of this weird subculture in Android spaces that hates Google but seems to be drinking from the same user-hostile Kool aid.

Personally, I'm an odd case, in that I didn't used to root or use custom ROMs at all until recent years. Basically since Android 10, simply to get around the needless roadblocks and restore the functions I want. I was fine with stock for a long time, until Google started becoming Apple.

Shit like this is why I can't abide GrapheneOS or their cheerleaders.

It's legitimately the same attitude as Google itself. This parental, condescending tone, acting as if wanting freedom to control their own devices is somehow irrational. Continuing to push this toxic idea that handcuffs are the only way to protect users. Like a sysadmin at a workplace, but without the justifiable reasons.

What a weird thing to talk about out loud. That feels like a joke you'd make at Thanksgiving, not publicly in the middle of a vice presidential campaign.

I called it pop when I was a kid, then I grew up. I don't call it soda though. Now I just call it whatever is actually in the can.

Disappointed because lack of butt stuff, or because cornhole is a really boring game?

I'd believe either.

Is that real? That legitimately sounds like an Onion article itself.

People seriously need to start pushing back on the word "secure" being used as a blanket excuse for every restriction.

It feels like every time that word is used, no one is willing to call out the fact that user freedom is equally as important and it's a lazy, disrespectful developer who won't take that into account by finding ways to maintain both.

You're talking about laws. They're talking about the IRS.

The IRS doesn't make the laws. They're an agency like any other, and a very important one.

if you fuck it up, you go to jail

No, no you don't. This is an actual child's understanding of how it works.

If you fuck up they often don't even notice unless it's substantial, otherwise they just send you a notice. You have to be willfully refusing to pay taxes for a while, repeatedly, before you're in trouble (tax evasion) or commiting actual tax fraud.

Why would the IRS send you to jail for making mistakes on your taxes? Where taxes are now paying for your incarceration, and you can't work to make the income to pay taxes.

Strictly speaking, tax filling software, even the free ones, have simplified it all so much that for people who have a single source of income from work and not a lot of tax forms to collect (most Americans), it's pretty trivial. Maybe 30-60 minutes, once a year.

Less than ideal but far from the grueling, soul sucking work I was told would plague my adult life when I was a kid.

That's why the IRS is finally doing their own online filling system. No more making Americans shell out for software, so everyone gets a nice, simple tax season.

That's just for free tax filling software, i.e. a government sponsored TurboTax alternative. And that was definitely needed.

What they're talking about is not having to actually do the filling at all, or at least only having to file in certain cases. The government pays for employees that look at your stuff, says "that's the amount", and asks you to confirm.

Granted, with the way tax filing software has advanced, and how simple the vast majority of people's filings are going to be, the difference is not very substantial anymore. The majority of people just need to click through the screens and answer the questions, so it takes a little time but it's hardly a true hassle.

The reason it's been like this in the US for so long is because of the heavy lobbying to keep software like that proprietary and the system complicated enough that people need to use it.

But it's also been because of decades of conservative bullshit refusing to fund the IRS to the degree that they could provide the services that other countries get. IRS literally could not and cannot afford the manpower to handle the taxes of every American for us. Software lets them circumvent that.

Vote for people who will increase funding to the IRS so they can manage all this.

The reason it's been like this for so long is because they don't have the manpower or (until recently) the technology to handle the sheer numbers. Lobbying from TurboTax and shit also played a big part, but even without that, they straight up can't afford to do all this when they've been strangled of funding from decades of conservative legislation.

The fact that an entire generation thinks the only proper way to install software is through an app store is absolutely terrible. Talk about a boon for the gatekeepers, Apple and Google did a bang up job training them to trust no one else.

Did you turn off Play Protect?

And yeah, when we set these barcode scanners up, unfortunately it made me appreciate Intune's Android management tools. I despise Microsoft and Google, but Microsoft won that round of "Who do I hate the least right now?"

Possibly, but many apps don't actually need to phone home to function.

Of course that doesn't stop developers arbitrarily requiring it.

At this point, even that would be preferable.

Your right, any open platform will be bastardized eventually, but that doesn't mean there isn't still a need for "resets".

There is no perfect platform for escaping it, because the market forces will always adapt and assimilate. The only true escape is to keep moving.

That's why it's important for users to be hermit crabs, and move to the next thing, no matter how janky, because they will at least be able to influence it positively and have a relatively open platform for a number of years. Then the cycle repeats.

If propping up Linux phones will get us the open platform we need, even if only temporarily, we should do it.

The issue I think is that the current trends in all consumer software are increasingly user hostile, and the major platforms are creating ecosystems to support this. It's become the norm now to be able to directly control the usage of the software on consumer devices. Apple has normalized this, Google and Microsoft followed.

At what point will developers refuse to even create software for a system that doesn't allow them that control?

Look at how many developers out there absolutely jerk themselves raw at the idea they should be able to compel users to update to continue using their software. Look at how many believe the modern security culture fallacy that handcuffing users and throwing away the key is the only way to protect them.

It's a development culture issue. Respecting user control of their own device is no longer in vogue.

Yes they will. This tool would force users to always use the Play Store which would increase the download count on their app, which would help its ranking in the Play Store. Every last single developer is incentivized to use this.

Issue is that it is no secure.

Explain. I'm tired of hearing this boogeyman, tell me exactly how Lineage is "not secure" but Graphene is?

Then maybe give me some examples of cases where that difference has actually been a problem.

Because it feels like a lot of these "unsecure" things people hand-wring over are really just user freedoms they may use to hurt themselves, not actual vulnerabilities that can't be avoided with common sense.

I mean, you can be as snotty about this as you like, but it doesn't change the fact this "choice" is basically between participate in the same digital world as most people do with the most popular, most supported, and highest value apps, vs only what you can use in F Droid or something?

You're calling them slaves but can you give them anything more appealing outside the walled garden than "privacy"? It's not like everything on the play store has an F-Droid corollary. You're basically telling them to dramatically reduce their own use case. Does that make them a slave?

Their reasons mean nothing. It's my device. I shouldn't have to worry about an application installed on my device being policed because the developer got a hair up their ass about people downgrading.

The phrase "more secure" is becoming meaningless as it keeps being used as a blanket excuse for literally every user hostile change.