I'm all for supporting women. Give them a chance to speak out, make sure they are fairly listened to and taken seriously. You've gone a step beyond that, you've already decided guilt and innocence and proclaimed it. More, you're doing so from a position of influence (yes, as a moderator of a large community, that's what you are). This is the sort of thing that libel charges get filed for (ok, not gonna happen at our current size, but you may want to start keeping that in mind.)
Why would you default to that?
Because that's the basis of our legal bloody system! Innocent until proven guilty! There's a thousand law professors out there who can explain it better and more eloquently than I could in a thousand years, but that's the gist of it.
You do not need a conviction to make up your mind.
That's correct. We do, however, need a conviction before stating it as fact instead of opinion.
Not only are you siding with the party with no evidence
I beg to differ. I have not sided with any party. What is it about people today that they seem unable to grasp the concept of neutrality?
Additional sentencing was added
How is that additional sentencing? In essence, they proved themselves to be unfit parents (because, you know, the whole grooming for crime thing), and had their kids removed due to that. It's like if you lost your job because you were convicted of a crime. That's not additional sentencing, that's just a consequence of your actions
Trusting the government to do the right thing is a poor idea. Politicians will only do the "right" thing if it helps them out.
Without any information, this is just idle conspiracy theorising. It's not even about politicians, since from the sound of it this came from regular govt officials, not elected politicians.
That's half my point. Why is sex such a no no, but glorified hyperviolence is perfectly acceptable?
They're not just writing the software, they're responsible for the infrastructure it's running on. And keeping that running and secure IS a full time job.
Right now, you sound exactly like one of those C level execs who looks at IT and asks "We haven't had an issue in years, what do we need to pay them for?"
I'm all for supporting women. Give them a chance to speak out, make sure they are fairly listened to and taken seriously. You've gone a step beyond that, you've already decided guilt and innocence and proclaimed it. More, you're doing so from a position of influence (yes, as a moderator of a large community, that's what you are). This is the sort of thing that libel charges get filed for (ok, not gonna happen at our current size, but you may want to start keeping that in mind.)
Why would you default to that?
Because that's the basis of our legal bloody system! There's a thousand law professors out there who can explain it better and more eloquently than I could in a thousand years, but that's the gist of it.
You do not need a conviction to make up your mind.
That's correct. We do, however, need a conviction before stating it as fact instead of opinion.
Not only are you siding with the party with no evidence
I beg to differ. I have not sided with any party. What is it about people today that they seem unable to grasp the concept of neutrality?
Fair enough! That's exciting news
Due process means the law was fairly applied and their rights were respected. I agree and understand that a govt program does not mean this is the case. In the absence of any countervailing evidence however, that would be the default assumption.
The interviews published were hand selected, the articles are very biased. I'll sumerize a different way, only 3 of the 100 kids taken from their parents did not speak poorly about their experience.
I agree with you there. The kids are not under a gag order though. Is there any other article or source that indicates a different situation from the one described here?
No, you're the one who started with the assumptions. The correct behaviour is to make no assumptions and wait for the legal system to sort things out.
Jeez, I can't believe I'm having to explain this to a mod on one of the biggest communities on lemmy.
So what you're saying is, all I need to do to get one of my exes jailed is get to know another disgruntled ex of theirs? Awesome!
Edit: Just to note that parent comment has been edited, multiple hours after my comment was made and a whole conversation was carried out.
There was no due process to kidnap the kids. Part of the parents sentence was not loss of custody.
Source? It's an official govt program being run by a judge. Not even those opposing the program are claiming it's against the law, they're just saying it's a bad idea.
If you look at history the state has been a much more terrible guardian.
Worse than grooming the kids to be crime lords? It's a closely scrutinised program, and nobody's calling shenanigans on the implementation, not even the kids being interviewed. It might not work out, that's true, but I am not seeing a reason that it would be a definite failure.
The issue isn't CDNs. The issue is code that pulls the latest version of a library, opening it up to supply chain attacks like this. The solution would be to specify exact versions of a library to use.
The CDN isn't the library, polyfill is the sketchy code library. The CDNs are merely hosting it. The usage of library here is entirely consistent with software development terminology.
? It's not open source, AFAIK.
No no, I mean, I get your point about how most corps do try to keep up with regulations. But some bad apples certainly spoil the batch. Even within corps I'm sure there are differences from one dept to another.
Its hot enough to catch wood on fire
Your ducts are emitting 250 C hot air? Because that's the ignition temp of wood. Should have told us you were working at camp Dante. The actual reason combustibles are supposed to be kept away from air ducts are because, in case of an actual fire, it prevents the fire from spreading via superheated air in the ducts. There is no way it happens during normal operation.
The duct gets a lot hotter than the air coming out of it
Now you've gone and broken the laws of physics. The duct would be exactly the same temp as the air coming out of it, or significantly lower if insulated on the inside. The only reason it seems hotter is because it has higher thermal conductivity.
yeah thats the education level on this topic here
Oh, the irony
It astounding that you can’t think of why government kidnapping is a bad thing. They have no right to take kids from homes because they want to “tame the savages”.
Did you miss my big, big disclaimer? "excepting the potential for abuse of this precedent".
In the case under discussion, the parents are convicted major criminals, there's a big difference from targeting a certain race. I do agree it's a potential slippery slope.
It’s not morality to teach kids about all the options they can choose to earn a living.
You can teach the kids their options, but the home environment obviously exerts a greater influence, especially if they are brought up to glorify it.
I have a serious, non-rhetorical question that I'm honestly interested in an answer to. Given that the parents and family have proven themselves to be bad influences and unfit guardians, why would we WANT to continue exposing the kids to their influence? This question is specific to this situation, not about the potential for abuse of the law in other situations. I don't have a dog in this fight, I appreciate hypothetical discussions.
It’s not a thing in real life either…
then
If you see them left behind, that’s because
That pretty much says it IS a thing in real life. It may not be supposed to be there, but it does appear in real life.
code will allow you tie someything flammable to a duct that would be heated and can catch it on fire
... how hot do you think the air coming out of a duct is? Also, this isn't a discussion about what codes allow, this is about what happens in practice.
they would ONLY be used while the techs were actively diagnosing a persistent issue
I've personally seen them placed by people who were having issues with building management messing up the hvac schedule, and I'm sure there are other cases where they would be used. You're extrapolating your one use case to everything else.
Why do people perpetuate obvious fake Hollywood stuff
All I said was, there's a real life basis for the trope. And there is, even you've admitted to it. So I'm not sure what your big argument is about...
Another option is to imprison mafia members, it’s much more difficult to influence children from prison.
The mafia have been managing it for generations, so that option obviously doesn't work.
Education is probably the best, showing kids they have better options will do wonders.
We've had this discussion many times, though from the opposite side. School and education is for teaching kids facts and about the world, but they do not (nor should they) have the capacity to be substitute parents. And that's for neglectful parents, much less parents who are actively teaching the kids negative values.
All in all, excepting the potential for abuse of this precedent, I'm not sure why this is such a bad thing. The parents and family have proven themselves to be bad influences and unfit guardians, why would we WANT to continue exposing the kids to their influence?
Ribbons (or visual indicators in general) wouldn't have been stuck on there by a member of the public. It would have been placed there by technicians or maintenance guys to help with their tasks. Not common at home for obvious reasons, but not uncommon in commercial / public spaces.
Hollywood took an existing practice and made it ubiquitous because it was a convenient visual shortcut.
The birth of the second calf, a female, has surprised even her own mum.
https://web.archive.org/save/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2Fc8445lyjndvo
An Asian elephant in central Thailand has given birth to a rare set of twins, in what caretakers have described as a miracle.
The mother, 36-year-old Chamchuri, was not expected to deliver twins and when she gave birth to a male calf last Friday, staff at the Ayutthaya Elephant Palace and Royal Kraal, had thought the delivery was done.
But while cleaning up the first calf and helping it stand on its feet, they heard a loud thud and realised that Chamchuri had given birth to a second calf, a female.
The second birth sent the mother into a panic and caretakers had to restrain her to prevent her from stepping on the female calf. One caretaker was hurt in the melee.
Dramatic footage on social media showed a crowd of caretakers - known locally as mahouts - frantically separating the female calf from the mother, with blood from the birth still visible on her hind legs.
Twins occur in only one percent of elephant births and male-female are even more rare, according to Save the Elephants, a research organisation.
“Once we pulled the second baby elephant out, away from the mother, the baby stood up. We were all cheering because it’s a miracle,” veterinarian Lardthongtare Meepan told the BBC.
“We’ve always wanted to see elephant twins but not everyone can see this because it doesn’t happen a lot,” said Ms Meepan, who grew up at the elephant park, and is herself a mother of twins.
Charin Somwang, a 31-year-old mahout, broke his leg while restraining the mother.
“I was so happy, I couldn’t feel the pain,” he told the BBC, adding he felt the extent of the injuries only when he was brought to the hospital.
“It’s normal that the new mother will always try to kick or push the baby… I was afraid that she might break the baby elephant, so I put myself forward and tried to block the mother from the smaller one,” said Mr Somwang, who has been working at the park for 15 years.
Elephants are considered sacred in Thailand, where a majority of the population is Buddhist. They are also a national symbol.
Since the birth, the Ayutthaya Elephant Palace and Royal Kraal has featured the twins in live streams on social media.
Park visitors, including children, are also allowed to see the twins, but only after disinfecting their footwear and their hands.
A sign near the nursery reads: “Please don’t touch the elephant babies”.
They will be named seven days after birth in accordance with Thai custom.
At 55kg (121lb) the female calf is slightly smaller than usual and has to step on a stool during feeding with her mother. Her brother is heavier at 60kg.
The park claims its elephants were rescued from begging on the streets. In 1989, Thailand banned logging in natural forests, leaving mahouts who worked in that industry jobless.
This forced them to make elephants perform tricks for tourists in exchange for money. This practice was outlawed in 2010 - though there are still rare cases of this happening.
In Ayutthaya, Thailand’s former capital, some elephants carry tourists on their backs to temples and historic ruins.
Conservationists oppose elephant riding as they say this stresses the animals out and amounts to abuse.
An earlier report by the World Animal Protection (WAP) says that harsh methods are used to get a wild elephant to carry a human on its back. The process starts soon after it is captured. It is often referred to as “breaking-in” or “crush”.
Aside from Ayutthaya, elephants have also become tourist draws in highland villages in Chiang Rai and Chiang Mai in the north, where tourists can feed them with bananas, go walking with them and bathe them with mud.
The Asian elephant is an endangered species due to poaching, illegal trade and habitat loss, according to the International Union for Conservation of Nature.
More elephants are used for tourism in Thailand - over 3,000 - than anywhere else. Unlike other countries with captive populations, those in Thailand are nearly all privately owned.
Compared to their African counterparts, Asian elephants have smaller ears round and hunched backs.
Meanwhile, visitors continue to flock to the park in Ayutthaya to see the twin babies, as they await their names.
They walk in a small pen covered with hay as they roll their trunks on their mother’s leg.
“I am always happy when I see elephant gives birth,” said Mr Somwang, their mahout who is recovering from injury.
“It doesn’t need to be twins. Elephant babies always bring joy,” he said.
MLMYM can't login?
Trying to login with the MLMYM interface just goes to a blank screen for me. Is anybody else having issues with it? Is there anything I can do to get it working?
Edit: I have no idea why a simple help post is getting this many upvotes / downvotes