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Plus a signicifant part of livestock never sees the sun. Compared to what we do to animals in times, this doesn't look too bad.

E.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestation_crate

@stanleytweedle

No one's afraid. Almost all of us are just ignoring loud people like yourself injecting themselves into conversations and then complaining about the message you seem to intentionally misunderstand. It seems like you're trying to reframe the entire topic for your personal comfort, not better communication.

@stanleytweedle @Nachorella

I think you may be failing to realize that vegans don't owe you complicity and silence. That self-respect isn't quite a personality trait, but it's not exactly unusual for any group doing anything useful.

If you're going to criticize someone because you see them daring to speak things that aren't already your opinion in public, at least read their name tag.

@qyron @MeDuViNoX Well, we are not babies still. Milk from any mother would be for a baby, most generally her own.

@mojo_raisin B12 is produced by soil bacteria. Wildlife don't have problem with B12, predator or herbivore.

It's even more clear if it's not that cropped picture. Here's the whole carton. Nowhere on it does it say "ice cream," and it's pretty clear that it's plant based.

@Neon @nume bro with the taiwan flag talking about how the majority must be right. have you ever been to china? >90% of chinese would say taiwan is an integral part of china. do you think before you fucking type? also, you're forcing YOUR moral values onto animals, you pay for them to perpetually bred, raised, tormented, abused and slaughtered but vegans memeing online is """FORCING""" moral views onto others? jesus christ you're dense.

I've been around these arguments enough times to see the discussion inevitably get to this point. We dance around the idea of "is it worth it to go vegan or not?" long enough, until eventually someone concedes that "yes it is better to do, but it's not practical to ask everyone to do it/you can't get everyone to go vegan/it won't solve the problem if we go vegan and do nothing else/etc."

Convenient that any time an environmental initiative requires even tiny changes to our day to day lives, suddenly we need to look for the solutions vaguely "elsewhere." I guess let's ignore the fact that emissions from food alone are enough to push the planet over the 1.5C degree warming threshold for the planet, and that the average US consumer eats an order of magnitude more red meat than could ever be sustainable.

If you truly think that it's worth doing, either do it, or admit that you selfishly don't want to. Don't try and pretend the climate science backs up your opinions though.

As an aside, this is basically my goodbye letter to Lemmy, so so probably not going to follow up on this thread. The platform is so small that people can't help but creep into communities that show up in the overall feed. Say what you will about Reddit, but at least there, spaces created specifically for in-groups (like a space called "vegancirclejerk") didn't constantly get commenters from the wider world knocking on the door and starting flame wars in the comments. Like, can there be no space for vegans to just fuck around and post memes in peace?

Maybe finally I'll get some peace by logging off and touching some grass. And then eating the grass, bc I'm vegan btw

@mojo_raisin It's because of factory farming which is 97%+ of all production. Factory farmed animals don't have access to a healthy soil where they would normally get their B12 and other nutrients. That means rising animals for mass consumption is totally wrong.

Same goes with humans. People today are so separated from the healthy soil, they lack B12.

@mojo_raisin @toxicbubble Did you knew they supplement farm animals with B12 and other vitamins and stuff?

@match morally dishonest

This is exactly what I read on two different papers. One of them being this

Not a single mention of soybean oil

Edit: soy is included but still not even close to cattle ranching and the small scale farming also includeds palm oil and sugarcane

@vcj @vegancirclejerk This is why I never leave my house. The temptation is too strong. I can't keep myself from killing. I'm an apex predator.

@mateomaui precisely