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Proton Mail founder vows to fight Australia’s eSafety regulator in court rather than spy on users | Australia news | The Guardian
Andy Yen says draft safety standards ‘would force online services … to access, collect and read users’ private conversations’
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I recently switched my email from gmail to proton mail, because fuck google's.. well... everything. Glad to hear that Proton Mail keeps fighting for privacy!
I changed back when google got rid of the free "mail for your domain" and frankly its been a great thing for me. They keep announcing new things that replacing my existing apps.
They have a password manager now that I use. They are finally adding actual fuction to their online drive storage so I can sync files and backup photos.
Its been well worth the price for me. If only they had an office suite lol
I really wish their password manager used a serif font, though. That's pretty unacceptable if you're generating secure passwords.
Please don't use serif fonts for UI elements. Imagine the buttons on your file manager being Times New Roman. (eww.) I think what you're looking for is a monospaced font that's designed to distinguish O/0, I/1/l, etc.
Plug for one of my favorite fonts: https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/mono/
Could you explain why them not using a serif font is bad?
Generally speaking, serif fonts make it easier to distinguish between visually similar characters like o, O, and 0 or 1, I, and l.
Yeah that’s true, but I can’t see why distinguishing is required of a human. I use my password manager to generate and input passwords for me. I don’t even know any of them.
It's not uncommon for the password manager to not be on the same system as where the password is being entered - hence a human needs to type. For example: consumer electronics with their own dinky little screens. Smart TVs/game systems and servers where remote access is not possible (or copy/paste does not work by design).
Oh yeah that makes perfect sense; I just hadn’t thought of it because those scenarios haven’t applied to me for a bit. One solution would be to generate readable passwords like discernible sentences. Longer in most cases so more entropy, and less chance to confuse characters.
Some password managers provide this as an option, though some authN systems require special characters because they think it improves security.
Or if you have to do business with a dinosaur company that won't let you paste in the PW field.
The only thing I haven't found a good replacement for was how G Drive also handles Office style documents. I make use of that a lot, especially from my phone. But I agree, Proton Mail hasn't been painful one bit.
Seriously? My workplace uses google drive, and many documents are made with word. ... A very common problem is that sometimes someone opens a word doc from the web interface of google drive - which automatically can conveniently opens it with google docs, which totally screws up the formatting and then autosaves it.
(I hate google, and I resent that even after I've removed all aspects of it from my home & personal usage, I still have to use it at work.)
I wish I could integrate it with like onlyoffice or something like that. Would be perfect.
For now I have to be happy with saving to my documents folder and knowing its backed up.
Dude, that email alias feature is the best thing about their password app! I've started using it all the time for services, new and old. Will make it easy as hell to find those selling my info.
Yeah the email alias rock. Especially when I was car shopping recently.
Want my email? Sure, here you go. SPAM? BEGONE, FOREVER BEGONE!
To everyone saying they've changed to protonmail, check out https://simplelogin.io/ , owned by proton and free for all paying proton members. Unlimited email aliases so you can have a unique email per service. The apps also on fdroid.
Why would I switch from Firefox relay that gives unlimited aliases at 1/4 of the price?
You dont have to switch but if someone is paying for Proton than they can utilize it for no extra charge
Ooh so if you are already a Proton Other Things subscriber you get the unlimited alias version for free? Because that's an excellent reason.
They should make that more clear in the pricing page.
Thanks!
Yeah I wish they advertised that because it's an excellent deal. I don't know if the free Simplelogin Premium applies to all levels of subscription plans but Unlimited for sure has it. Been using it and it's amazing, it allows you to add PGP encryption through protonmail and simplelogin.
I didn't try Proton's solution, but free Relay was blocked at some services I tried to use it. It was so weirdly specific since no one really knows about them, so I guess some web admins has enough time on their hands to create a whitelist of all mail services they support, and moz.com wasn't there.
I just had a company refuse to send to mozmail.com, thought they managed to charge the credit card just fine and the email address didn't throw an error on sign up. Figured it out on phone with support so they have a record of exactly why they lost that sale worth a few thousand dollars. I'd like to think they'll learn but more likely the only lesson learned was me re: shopping there.
There are github repositories where people curate a list of domains providing temporary emails or email aliases and admins can just point to the maintained list to block.
In the ~20 I've created so far I've had 2 services that wouldn't accept simple login. For those I've used proton mail's built in email alias service where you get 15 aliases with their proper domain.
I'm just finishing up that transition myself and glad to hear I made a good choice!
Same, using Proton mail and I am now blissfully Google free. Something else I found the holidays good for is finding out all the old accounts I have floating out there from sites that I interacted with over the years so I can cancel them or change the email if i decide to keep them. But, no more Google! Next on my list is Amazon.
I'm in the (gradual) process of switching all my stuff from Gmail and Google to Proton mail. I really like the mail client and Proton Drive works better on my computers than Google Drive did, but Proton Drive doesn't back up my phone yet and I wish they had an office suite like Google does. I don't put anything important or private on Google docs, but it's useful to be able to access my textbook notes from any of my computers. I haven't used the password manager because I'm using Bitwarden, which I really like.
They just released photo backups on android
I want Proton Drive support on Linux.
It's currently completely useless to me, unfortunately.
Rclone supports proton
Indeed, but rclone is a CLI tool (with a web interface available, which I found to be a really clunky way to do things). I tried using Celeste, which uses the rclone backend, but it never finished backing up my documents folder.
The CLI process was pretty smooth for me, and afterward just works. I mean no offense when I say I didn't expect a Linux user to balk at using CLI. A GUI would be nice, I suppose, but I like the way rclone works for me.
Fine, you got me, I'll give the CLI a solid. :P
As a software developer, I work in CLIs and codebases all day, the last thing I want to do when coming home is more CLIs and code hahah
I feel you about coming home to code. You have my permission to tell rc to eff off
Same and windows arm too
I missed that update! This is great news!
In the same boat. I currently just forward everything from gmail to ProtonMail and am gradually changing my contact email one at a time. It dawned on me that I receive mails from services I don't give a damn about, so maybe I should not change those.
Protonmail isn't great, their deliberately misleading about the encryption. Many consider protonmail to be a honeypot.
Do you have anymore background on that?
https://www.wired.com/story/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-data/
https://cldc.org/does-protonmail-snitch/
In addition protonmail do not protect your metadata (from memory), it's not encrypted in transit.
Protonmail also keep your public and private keys on their servers, it's PGP however they don't want the end users to have to manage their own keys. That to me isn't ideal.
Receiving from another provider you'll get TLS encryption until it hits protonmail servers but protonmail will then decrypt your email and again encrypt your email using your PGP stored on their servers.
Sending an email from proton to another provider will be encrypted on protonmail servers but that's where it ends. TLS will take care of the in-transit and again may not be stored securely on the receiving end.
He wrote their instead of they're, make your judgement.
Well god damn it! Did you have any links to articles about it? Also what would you view to be better then proton.me?
Tuta (in my eyes) is a step in the right direction, using a client like thunderbird or enigmail and managing PGP yourself would be more secure as the message is decrypted by the recipient and not a company owned server.
I appreciate the follow up! I'm looking into Tuta to learn more about it! It just sucks Tuta didn't come up at all when I was researching solid alternatives to Gmail.
Yeah except I forgot how to login and now I’m burned