[Discussion] Should we defederate exploding-heads.com? (Closing arguments)
[Discussion] Should we defederate exploding-heads.com? (Closing arguments)
Exploding-heads.com is another instance on Lemmy where alt-right MAGA types tend to reside. Some people on this server want us to defederate from them immediately, some people want to save defederation as a last resort. They have 104 active users (more stats below).
It seems that exploding-heads has also experienced a recent botswarm invasion. This is obviously another point in favor of defederating them, assuming you are worried about botswarms, which is currently being discussed here.
My advice to you all is please try to discuss this in a civil manner, we need not allow them to create divisive conflict inside our communities. No matter how the vote turns out, you're not going to be able to defederate from your fellow sh.itheads so be nice.
I've linked many of the previous discussions below so people who are out of the loop can get a general sense of the situation.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888 https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 https://sh.itjust.works/post/281126 https://sh.itjust.works/post/410325
Lemmy.world just recently defederated them.
https://lemmy.world/post/747912
https://lemmy.world/post/577526
Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.
Ensuring diversity of servers is beneficial to the platform as a whole, but it is also not our responsibility to bear that burden.
TLDR, just wrap up any last points in this thread before we open the vote tomorrow. Please be civil.
EDIT: To clarify, this isn't the official vote, this is the final discussion. The vote thread will be posted tomorrow and you will only be allowed to make a single comment saying Aye or Nay.
EDIT2: Vote thread is up, this thread is now locked. Very lively discussion thread sh.itheads. Please try to be more respectful next time.
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I'm sick and tired of all the complaining.
That's why I waited all week to post this thread. One day of arguing and then we can finally get the vote over with. This is a slog but there are better days ahead.
Is it though?
If Lemmy keeps growing as it does now, there will be new instances up for a vote every single day.
Hell I've only been here a few weeks and am already tired of the constant complaining.When did we start letting idiots affect us this much?
Why can't we just ignore the shit and spread some love?Our plan is to create a set of behavioral guidelines that the community agrees upon and use that to automatically filter out the absolute filth, without bothering the community.
I think it's just part of the growing pains of Lemmy. Let's be honest, almost everyone who was here before the reddit exodus is an extremist of some sort. Whether it's tankies, MAGA, lolis, etc, we are going to have to put in the work to clean up this platform. It is what it is, where the fuck else can we go at this point?
The reason we can't just ignore it is because some of our users are bothered by these idiots. And some of those users are good contributors so we want to give them a chance to air their concerns and respect the democratic process.
As I've said before and will probably say many more times, just be happy you don't have to mod. You can just go browse and forget about whatever goes on here, we are not going to do anything crazy, we can barely decide on anything 😅
Don't get me wrong mate: I thoroughly appreciate the effort and understand that you as a mod team are srill finding your ways. This is in no way critizising you, or anyone for that matter.
Just airing my personal sceptisism regarding how quickly we should be with the ban hammer.So far this instance seem to be very level headed, and the day I find one that I agree with 100% is the day I need to find a new one.
Cheers.
The reason we can’t just ignore it is because some of our users are bothered by these idiots. And some of those users are good contributors
Both cannot be true. There is no such thing as a good contributor who seeks to censor others because they personally don't like seeing things that challenge their views
Who is being censored? They don't have a right to be federated with us. No one is saying they have to shut their instance down.
Blocking content is censorship, even if it's within someone's right to do so. The right to do something is not the entitlement to support in doing so.