Cigarette Burns, Beatings, Attempted Sexual Assault: Settlers and Soldiers Abused Palestinians
Cigarette Burns, Beatings, Attempted Sexual Assault: Settlers and Soldiers Abused Palestinians
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Doesn't matter which side you are on, no human should be treated this way.
no human should be treated this way
Absolutely, and that's why an Israeli newspaper is reporting this, and the IDF's own military police is conducting an investigation and has already suspended the commander in charge.
Now I'm looking forward to a Palestine newspaper condemning the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks, and Palestine authorities investigating the issue and prosecute those responsible.
Well, all Gazans which I'm sure is what you meant by Palestinian since the West Bank is governed by the Palestinian Authority, are currently being bombed by the Israeli government. So you might be waiting a little bit. Especially seeing as Hamas hasn't allowed elections in 15 years.
I'm looking forward to Israel freeing Palestine.
No human should be treated this way, but no matter what side you are on, you can't deny it is okay to respond how Israel responds, to terrorism that involved civillian victims and hostages.
No matter which side you are on, you also can't deny that Palestinians have elected and are controlled by terrorists.
So you're agreeing that "no humans should be treated this way", while saying that it's ok to treat humans that way? People might take you more seriously if you were on your own side.
I agree that no humans should be treated this way and if they do this should be investigated. This happens in this case so I don't see the problem here.
But if someone wants to justify hatred to a whole race by something like that then they are ignorant.
Any country has deviants. As long as they are the minority and cases are being under control it's not a problem. But you have a whole region under political control of terrorists right there, and they are openly wishing death to Israel. Something is wrong with your priorities I'd guess.
So as long as Israel's retaliatory atrocities are investigated, it's totally fine? Cool. Coolcoolcoolcoolcoool.
What's your country? Google up some atrocities made by someone of the same citizenship and suddenly we can tell the world "look this country sucks, and if terrorists attack it, we should blame it for any response, because they are terrorists themselves".
Cool?
I repeat, every country has nazi or other deviants. Not every country is controlled by terrorists.
Yup, investigating atrocities makes them totally fine. Indeed.
(Also: imagine being so ignorant that you need to Google your own country's history, lol)
imagine being so ignorant that you need to Google your own country’s history, lol)
I know it is hard when you are seething, but maybe try reading slower. The person you are replying to is not even suggesting googling the history of one's own country, but that of the person you are attacking. This is an attempt to make a point, but you are so full of self-righteousness that you can't bring yourself to engage in a good faith discussion.
The person you are replying to is not even suggesting googling the history of one’s own country, but that of the person you are attacking
Maybe you should read slower, since what they said was:
What’s your country? Google up some atrocities made by someone of the same citizenship
I would be willing to engage in a good faith discussion if one was occurring.
Maybe you should read slower, since what they said was:
Let us look at the entire thing that was said, without removing context, shall we? What was said was:
What’s your country? Google up some atrocities made by someone of the same citizenship and suddenly we can tell the world “look this country sucks, and if terrorists attack it, we should blame it for any response, because they are terrorists themselves”.
I do not wish to insult your intelligence, but here we are. The rhetorical question above very clearly is: What is your country? Because anyone can google for atrocities on any country, and whatever your country is they will find it, because every country has skeletons in the closet, and then use this to accuse you of being a terrible person. Ok. Anyone with an ounce of good faith understands that this is what is being said here, not: "I have to google historical facts about my own country". Which, by the way, would be fine. I don't know everything about the history of my country. it is a perfectly normal thing, unless you are childishly trying to throw feces in the face of someone you disagree with.
I would be willing to engage in a good faith discussion if one was occurring.
No you would not. You keep misinterpreting your interlocutor on purpose. You say obnoxious shit like: "ohhhh, I guess investigating atrocities makes everything ok then". As if anyone suggested this. You already decided who the good guys and bad guys are, and you will only care about the facts that confirm your cozy beliefs and your mind is absolutely closed to any debate on this topic and you know it.
You happen to be in an echo chamber where most people agree with your a priori position, that is all.
If you can keep in memory all the deeds of millions of people I'm happy for you.
Yup, investigating atrocities makes them totally fine. Indeed.
No, it makes it more likely to be handled properly. Can't expect such a thing with terrorists, can you?
Actually, what exactly are you going to do about what Israel is doing now? Is there also anything you will do about what Palestinians did? Or what exactly makes what they did okay in your book?
How does investigating atrocities make "them more likely to be handled properly"? Is there a correct way of perpetuating atrocity?
Perpetuating? I don't think I follow.
How does investigating atrocities make "them more likely to be handled properly"?
Directly. The same way as when hamas' terrorism is not getting investigated by Palestinians, but contrariwise.
That made absolutely zero sense and I'm concerned you've had a stroke.
(Or maybe I've had a stroke...)
Why is it okay to respond to barbaric violence with more barbaric violence? Butchering civilians does not make the civilians like you. And if even you— who is probably totally unaffected by this— think it’s okay to respond with barbarity in turn, how do you think the affected civilians will feel when deciding on another leader down the line?
I thought we as a society decided that eye-for-an-eye was impractical if the goal is forward progress. I genuinely don’t see how, in modern society, you think people “can’t deny it is okay” to engage in cruelty for the sake of revenge. Like I can see why people feel that way, but you think literally everyone thinks that?
I’m not even saying violence isn’t allowed or whatever. I do think that Hamas should be obliterated, probably with those bladed hellfire missiles. But what purpose does pointless cruelty ever serve?
Something is wrong if you are resorting to "eye for the eye" phrase. Israel doesn't do barbarian attacks like what has happened on October 7th. They at least have some experience and instruments for targeted attacks, that will let them avoid as many needless victims as possible. Palestinians are very different from that.
Where exactly do you see pointless cruelty from Israel? Did you read the article or just the headline? No civillians were killed and the case is getting investigated as it should. This is not a massive case.
This is not a revenge. This was a critical point when Israel found it can no longer defend passively against terrorists, so it's obvious what will happen next.
No civillians were killed
That's... certainly an interesting claim. Which box of cereal are you getting your news from? I guess all these dead kids are just terrorists-in-bud.
I'm referring to the OP article that we are commenting on. Are you high?
You mean the OP that literally details the things you're saying either aren't atrocities or aren't happening?
Are you high?
Don't be afraid to take a side. They aren't too kind to any Israelites. Matter of fact, why don't you search any of these "unbiased" users' comment history and see if they say anything even remotely defending the IDF or their soldiers.
I take a stance and it's anti-terrorism - fuck Hamas and fuck the Palestinians that defend it. This is war.