Another country has called Xi a 'dictator' and China is not happy with that description
Another country has called Xi a 'dictator' and China is not happy with that description
China has lashed out at Germany after its foreign minister called Xi Jinping a “dictator” and summoned Berlin’s ambassador for a dressing down, in the latest flaring of tensions with a western democratic power over how the Chinese leader is described overseas.
China has lashed out at Germany after its foreign minister called Xi Jinping a “dictator” and summoned Berlin’s ambassador for a dressing down, in the latest flaring of tensions with a western democratic power over how the Chinese leader is described overseas.
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I love how every single comment making fun Xi the pooh here is getting downvoted lol
Here's a little something for the dictator simps:
Gee, I wonder which group of users would do something like that...
Probably the antiracists. You should wonder if you're on the right side when you are promoting and supporting racism.
LMAO! Racist? I didn't know "dictator" was a race! Please, enlighten me.
The Winnie the Pooh meme about Xi is just racism. I don't care if you think he's a dictator.
Not racist at all. It's against one person. Trump's face is seen on an orange all the time. No one is calling for racism. He just looks like a damn orange.
So if Obama was depicted as Curious George that'd be cool yeah?
If only Obama was depicted like that, yes.
But it is commonly used to depict black people in general.
While nobody uses Winnie the Pooh to depict Chinese people, only their dictator.
By racists yes.
There's a big difference here.
Is Trump's skin naturally orange? Is there a long history of oppressing white people in the US and other NATO countries?
Just because the Winnie the Pooh meme didn't originate as a racist symbol doesn't mean that it isn't used to propagate racism and sinophobia.
Just because the Winnie the Pooh meme isn't actually racist doesn't mean I'm not going to call it racist in a pathetic attempt to establish a fake moral high ground over people who have arguments I can't counter
There, I fixed it for you.
Projecting much? Care to explain how it isn't racist or damaging with an argument other than "nuh-uh"?
Insulting someone doesn't make it racist just because the other person is a different race from you.
Also, the meme was started by Chinese people.
I agree with you on both points, but that is not the argument that I was making. If you need some more context, Here's just one of the many additional comments I left in this thread explaining my position.
FYI, citing the fact that the meme originated in China does not negate how it is used by others after the fact. It's like arguing that when neonazis use the swastika, it's ok because its actual origins are as an ancient religious symbol. The meanings of things can change and be used for reasons other than their original intention.
I'm not saying the meme is racist, I'm saying that it's being used in a racist way here, specifically in the form of Sinophobia.
Xi isn't in the US and his country isn't part of NATO. Political cartoons are as old as time. They poke fun at the individual, not their descent. By trying to make it more you're arguing for it to be censored. He has feelings (maybe), but he has gone so far as to attempt to censor the cartoon from his own country. Not because he believes it is racist, but because his opinion is that he doesn't like it. Streisand Effect of course, it gets used more. I think Xi does remarkably look like Pooh. Do other Asian persons? No. There isn't an innocence about it. Xi feels bad by it, people use it to make him angry. He is a dictator with lots of power so people use the one tool they have to attempt to fight that power - a fucking cartoon bear.
I think you misinterpreted part of what I'm saying. The use of the meme in Taiwan and Hong Kong were political dissent, not racism.
The use of the meme in NATO countries is racist due to their history of racism and because this is one of the tools these governments use to convince you that China is your enemy and you should support military actions against them before their military becomes stronger than that of the US and they lose their monopoly on international power and subsequently their power to bully the rest of the world.
Before you dismiss this argument by saying it's just because Xi doesn't like the meme, where did you get this information? From what I've seen the Chinese government has not responded and the reasoning behind the ban is purely speculative. Sure, I believe they banned the comparison as it was the basis of geopolitical dissent, but to claim it's because a world leader who gets insulted frequently and in worse ways has thin skin is a stretch. He has bigger worries than Westerners tweeting at him.
If you want a tool to fight the power of dictators, you'd be better served focusing on organizing the citizens of your own country against the powers that work against their interests at home. They point you toward foreign leaders and say "look, they're worse" so you won't criticize the shit job your own "representatives" are doing at home.
The use of the meme in NATO countries is racist due to their history of racism
This isn't how that works. And even if it were, then it would be racist everywhere due to everywhere's history of racism.
Please explain to me how it works then.
We are all one race. Human. You guys trying to claim that you are a different (read: superior) race are the racists.
You can't just wish the impacts of systemic racism away with good vibes. This is unrealistic and sounds like it comes from a place of privilege that has never experienced the impacts of racism. Biologically, race isn't real. Socially, it is real and very much has a real impact on people.
I don't know if your comment was intended to be directed at me? If you think I'm being racist by acknowledging the material impacts of racism and the realistic threat it poses, you may need to read more about racism.
Yeah it was directed at you. You think that Chinese people, who are human, are a superior race that deserves no criticism. Racist as fuck. I come from the only country in the world that even is figuring out how to deal with racism, cause we aren't from a single ancestral tribe, and we have been forced to actually start figuring it out. As I said, we are humans, and that is where you need to start to make any progress. Stop with your Chinese superiority complex, and learn to take criticism.
What? Winnie the Pooh is from a British cartoon...Asian people aren't described as "orange" by racists. I don't think you know the origin of this meme
Please illustrate how a British cartoon character is a racist caricature of xi? Is Barack Obama a tiger?
The origin of the meme is not what I have issue with. The issue is with its use in Western countries and the history of how these countries stoke sinophobia. Criticism rooted in racism spills over into the mistreatment of people from the country that is the source of that racist sentiment in addition to foreigners.
If you aren't familiar with the history of racism, go read up on it.
Seek fresh air, seems you have CO poisoning
Yes, too much capitalist oppression has poisoned my general tolerance of apologia for this type of garbage.
The Taiwanese use the meme all the time. Obviously not because it looks like Xi in particular and especially because of fragile censoring, but because they like to be racist against themselves. That must be it.
Calling Trump a guinea pig is probably also considered racist in lemmygrad.
and especially because of fragile censoring
You think these memes are censored? Lol, you live in an authoritarian shithole that brainwashes you with this stupid shit. Use your brain.
Taiwan is where the former Republic of China retreated after being defeated by the People's Republic of China. The censorship of Xi=Pooh in China isn't rooted in racism, it's rooted in the political conflicts between the ROC and PRC. China censors these comparisons because they are used by opponents to attack the government. You don't have to agree with their methods to understand why they would want to do this. Censoring realistic threats to the ruling government is a common practice in all nations.
The racist aspect originates from how the meme is used in Western circles where there is a long history of racism towards minorities and the enemies of the US as well as a long history of sinophobia.
If your understanding of history, racism, and their opinions of Trump are so shallow, maybe lurking Lemmygrad to learn why users from this instance act so aggressively towards racism and war-mongering propaganda would be helpful.
If being connected to a cartoon is a "realistic threat" then you have a shit government
Read between the lines.
Culture has an impact on politics and can be the spark for sudden and violent political upheaval.
Top tier pearl clutching
Fair.
You have to be joking.
Right, because the meme about a Chinese man being a yellow bear isn't racist.
It's not racist
Dehumanizing people through racism is a well established method the US has historically used when manufacturing consent to go to war among its people. Look at depictions of Germans and Japanese in WWII. Look at depictions of Koreans, the Vietnamese, Afghans, and Iraqis during the invasions of their countries.
Just because its origins weren't racist doesn't mean it hasn't taken on a racist meaning. Sinophobia is rooted in racism and ignorance.
It's one guy, not a caricature of Chinese people
Edit to mention that the guy in question is a dictator
Right, because if you allow racist tropes a little bit of leeway they won't become normalized and propagate over time.
How has voting in your bastion of democracy been working out for you? Did you get to vote to go to war? It's not like your leaders are any less authoritarian.
I'm allowed to criticize my government without being hauled off to fucking jail, how's that for freedom?
The US arrests journalists for not revealing their sources that are damaging towards the US government. I wonder why they want to know those sources so badly? Maybe Julian Assange or Edward Snowden.
Not from the US? That's ok!
Plenty of European countries also have laws on the books to deal with you harassing government officials. I'm not even going to bother going into the topic of how these same governments quiet the dissent of socialists to this day. Turns out, if they feel like your criticism is damaging enough, they CAN haul you off to fucking prison.
Say it louder and I'm sure that will make it true. YOU ARE FREE!
No you're not! Even people outside of the US are hauled off to its torture camps for criticising its war crimes and atrocities. Ask Assange.
Brain worms.
woah wtf you are being ridiculously racist. get the fuck out of here with that racist offensive stereotyping
He isn't a man. He is a bear. A fat, dumb bear.
Whoa whoa saying Chinese are yellow isn't cool. Dat's racist, with Pooh the color isn't relevant
Pooh lover
It's definitely part communists, but I think mostly special interest groups, maybe even from China itself.
You really want to feel special enough to think the Chinese government would even care about this internet backwater? Get real.
Never heard of propaganda? It is like sand.
It is course and rough, and it gets everywhere.
Altering public opinion is definitely on their agenda. I'm not the type of person that screams China bad on everything, but this simply wouldn't surprise me. Also, nobody is trying to feel special here, except for you.
What a goddamned loser. Go sell your ignorant cultist bullshit somewhere else. Nobody here is buying it other than mindless idiots