Server rules - am I missing something?
Server rules - am I missing something?
I was glancing through the mod log and saw these two entries. Conspiracy theory communities were both removed for violating rule #3.
What are these rules? If I look in the side bar, rule #3 on both lemmy.ml and sh.itjust.works to me looks like no porn. So why were conspiracy theory communities not allowed? That seems like kind of a community that shouldn't be an issue on Lemmy... are conspiracy theory subs really something that won't be allowed here? Honestly that's kind of disturbing to see already...
It's not the rules on those servers, but the rules on the server you belong to, i.e lemmy.world. Looking at their main site, their rule 3 is as follows:
Wow. Honestly this makes me seriously contemplate my move to Lemmy. I thought lemmy.world was at least a free speech endorsing server. So now we have the two biggest Lemmy instances out there that are clearly against free speech. Lemmy.ml is moderated by pro CCP mods that remove anything anti-china, and lemmy.world can't even tolerate a sub about conspiracy theories (which we should all know have a tendency of coming true the past few years) and is therefore already starting with stifling free speech.
Yeah, go start your own instance... Not everyone wants to run their own instance just to be able to browse communities on other instances that your current instance doesn't agree with.
Yeah... This is really putting a sour taste in my mouth about Lemmy already.
The “start your own instance” is twofold. You can indeed move away if you don’t like the rules one instance imposes. But at the same time, being an admin, you get the freedom not to associate with stuff you find problematic. You can’t expect an instance owner to pay for server space to host others’ whims.
From a more personal point of view, I’m really happy that I don’t have to engage with QAnon BS while browsing. It works well for the users too.
You won't be missed.
If you are really disturbed by the admins of these two instances not allowing conspiracy theory comms then you always have the option of creating your own instance without this restriction.
I'm aware. But when I look at server rules that simply don't apply what-so-ever to the community removals, and these being some of the largest Lemmy instances out there currently, it just makes me concerned about the moderation currently going on.
What does rule #3 say?
Lemmy.world (where OP's account is) has a rule 3 stating:
No posts or comments supporting or promoting QAnon related content or similarly disproven conspiracy theories. Moderators have sole discretion to decide if a post violates this rule. Birds are real. The Earth is round. Get over it.
See https://mastodon.world/about (both world servers are maintained by the same admin team, and lemmy.world links to that page for its rules).
Can admins defederate from specific communities on other instances?
That’s rule 3 for Lemmy.world, but these two instances are on Lemmy.ml and sh.itjust.works respectively.
"3. No porn."
I said in my post that unless there's rules elsewhere I'm just not seeing, the rules on the main instance sidebars for #3 simply say "no porn". So what does that have to do with conspiracy theory communities?
My bad I thought maybe there was more verbiage. That is certainly succinct. Maybe they were allowing porn.
The mods of lemmy.ml are doing a lot of freewheeling moderation: https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5781
Except that the conspiracy community is still up at lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/c/conspiracy
As another commenter said, lemmy.world where OP has their account has a no-conspiracy-theories rule. It was probably an admin there that blocked those communities. It can be hard to figure out where modlog actions come from since they're replicated.
So... from what I'm getting from that post... everyone likes to talk shit about reddit having a big ownership from a Chinese company that is exerting Chinese censorship on reddit... and now we're (well, I'm registered at lemmy.world, but subscribe to a lot of communities on .ml) sitting here on an alternate site that... is ALSO exerting Chinese censorship! 😂
Swap instances and dont use them anymore. its sad that the shit just works admin turned out that bad , luckily i chose lemmy world when i considered both.
Well the more worrying part is someone in another response said this was the lemmy.world mods banning those subs from appearing on lemmy.world.
Makes me wonder about lemmy honestly. They're making it very difficult to find an instance that is 1) reliable, 2) open to free speech and thought. With instances randomly blocking others, blocking certain communities, etc...
I mean, am I going to have to spin up my own instance just to browse Lemmy without random censorship of other instances and communities?