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Can you only use PD without VSTs?

I'm really new to Pd and I wonder how much stuff is it capable of doing sound-wise without having to use other software

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  • Seems like this post is kind of old, but better late than never!

    Pd is very powerful. And I’m not exaggerating here, if you’re good at it, it can do almost anything a VST can. But that may not always be practical.

    The entire reason I first got into VST programming and developing, was because I realised how limited Pd was in a lot of ways. Mainly, that it was very hard to sync with a DAW and always resulted in different latency issues which meant editing my music was harder later, and also that it was more resource intensive than developing my own software with C++.

    That being said, I still use Pd a lot, whenever I need to sketch a quick effect or program idea, whenever I need something that is algorithmically designed or that requires live input from hardware such as Arduino, and also because it’s really fun and flexible.

    Pd isn’t great if you need to integrate it into large production workflows, DAWs and similar environments, but IMO it’s the best around if you want highly flexible and specialised software in little time and with minimal effort.

    • I think I might be a bit of an atypical user since most pd users seem to be on much higher level. I haven't really made music in a long time (and even when I did I really didn't go much further than playing around in FL Studio and making a couple of things that sound nice) and I'm using Pd more as an hobby in of itself. I always liked tinkering with technology (recently I tried getting into synth diy, but it felt like too much all at once, and I'd also have to spend money I don't have right now) and I like the idea of creating not only a sound, but the tool to make it itself. It's also a good way to relearn music theory with a different perspective.

      I was curious if I could use it as a way to get into music production again, so using it as VST seemed like the most obvious path. Maybe it'd be better to use it as a diy DAW? Of course it wouldn't have a traditional workflow at all, but it's more about the process of creating something listenable

      • Honestly, PD is pretty flexible in a lot of ways, but I think to take full advantage of it, the name is very telling: it’s all about the data.

        You can of course make music, but in order to get musical, you will still need to understand a lot about how audio data works in computers. Once you do, it’s easy to start getting very creative. You can write full musical sequences, or make music that slowly develops over time with a good degree of randomness.

        Or you can take a more VST approach and make cool effects and sounds for your vocals or your guitar.

        It probably will never fully replace DAWs because editing audio in PD is almost impossible, but it can replace both musical instruments and audio effects.

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