Donations to Luigi Mangione's legal defense fund slowed, then surged
Donations to Luigi Mangione's legal defense fund slowed, then surged
Donations to Luigi Mangione’s legal defense fund have picked up after a news report that they had slowed down.
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https://www.givesendgo.com/legalfund-ceo-shooting-suspect
Wanna help get those numbers up?
Best donation I've ever made.
Donated, thanks
Before I donate. How do I know the money is actually spent as proposed? I don't know anything about the site or who raises the money.
European btw.
Here are some news articles that links to it directly or mention the site by name. Hopefully this gives the legitimacy you want
he comes from like one of the richest families in the country...
I'm sure his ultra right wing family is just throwing money at his defense.
If someone is trying to help; I don't care what family they come from.
They probably are. As long as they aren't gay rich white families will pay for most anything for their kid...
Yes, they will. It's OK to be gay they're rich enough to afford it. What's not ok is being gay publicly.
How does it benefit anyone?
Benefits a hero
A hero who kills one random guy, changes nothing, gives 10k to the police, and lives in prison?
Why would we want that?
Oh, he wasn't a random guy. He was a mass murder. As in present tense at the time he was executed
He worked for a company that redistributed wealth for covering healthcare costs, but kept too much for themselves pushing some people into debt, and that company is still operating exactly the same today as it was before.
He intentionally chose policies that killed people. Boohoo. He got we He deserved.
He and the rest of the organization's bigwhigs chose policies that don't cover the costs of a comparatively small number of people's medical care. As did the guy who took his place.
Luigi killed him for that and nothing changed. Why are we supposed to cheer for nothing changing?
We're cheering for someone actually fucking doing something to try to change that instead of whining on the Internet.
If that was his best try then very clearly some of us are putting our support behind the wrong guy.
You know some of these replies to me are just mask off Tankies, right? That should really put into perspective what sort of people promote this guy: people who don't want to fix US healthcare but rather people who want to tear down the state.
iirc they changed one of their policies shortly after his death. I think it was insulin or something but I can't remember.
Yes, there were definitely positive changes after their CEO was executed with popular support
Can't find anything anywhere indicating that. The last time they walked back a policy to my knowledge was in 2023.
It was for Anesthesia.
Thats not even UHC that was Anthem BCBS and they published the policy change on Thursday while Brian was murdered on Wednesday so unless you think they wrote up changes, held board meetings, and went through the review process as a medicaid provider in under 24hours then it wasn't even related.
You should go listen to some of the shit the UHC suits have been saying, its been the polar opposite of apologetic, Brian might as well have been martyr to them.
Yeah but if enough people follow suit, then you might actually get some real change. Either because the insurance companies are terrified of retribution or because the government takes a hint (that is assuming you actually get another election).
Besides even if he is found guilty (which I'm not sure he is considering he was having breakfast with me at the time of the shooting). A good legal team could still negotiate for a lighter sentence or better conditions.
Might maybe possibly kind convince a few people to reconsider
Fuck that, theres way better ways than giving to those who have more than enough.
Ok so he has money, he has more than enough to treat his own condition. He did what he did because he's seen so many other people suffer needlessly. He's a good guy and people feel good helping him out. Let them.
It's about sending a message
Whats the message?
First it wasn’t a random guy, he went after Brian Thomson specifically.
The message is that people support what Luigi did, or perhaps they don’t condone murder but they support that the industry is fucked and they want change.
I am interested in the trial and whether any meaningful change comes from this act. Either way I think it’s pretty heroic to throw your live, a rather privileged life at that, away for what you believe in. Misguided or not.
Brian Thompson is a random guy who worked as a suit for an unethicaly company. He was immediately replaced by another suit and the company has openly denied doing anything wrong, refusing to change how unethical it still is to this day.
Polls show Luigi's actions are not condoned by a majority of any demographic. Change in the industry won't come from this.
Heroic is selflessly doing what is right, not selfishly doing what is emotionally pleasing.
Luigi's supporters want to make an example out of Thompson so the next suit that fills his role thinks twice before choosing profit over healthcare.
If the legal consequences are minimal, then it encourages future actions by others or at least supports the semi-unspoken threat that it is likely to happen again if the ruling class keeps fucking around.
There are an infinite number of suits to fill that role unless we make changes to the system of laws and create new routes for finances to go towards covering healthcare.
Where there is profit to be made legally, there will always be people willing to do so.
Luigi's supporters advocate for actions that do nothing for us.
The Banality of Evil is a concept where an evil act is so spread out by bureaucrats and process, no one person feels responsible for the act. The "Just Doing My Job" excuse didn't work at the Nuremberg trials.
You know what they did for Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials?
They got a fair chance to make their case. Many were re-educated and reformed so they could be reintroduced to society.
Brian Thompson didn't exactly run concentration camps that made jews dig trenches to be buried in together, he made a company policy that negatively impacted the financial situation of an unknown number of people, so he got shot dead in a parking lot by a man he'd never had any interactions with.
I think we should change the system. I don't think Luigi did a single fucking thing towards that effect.
You just dont want him to have an effect because you disagree with his methods. Its already had an effect, and will continue to do so likely well after his trial concludes. Brian Thompson was a murderer, just like every other decision maker that works in health insurance. People dont mind when murderers get murdered. What's the phrase? Just desserts?
That article shows more people thought the killing was unjustified than those who thought it was justified in every poll.
48% said they view the killing as totally or somewhat justified.
Those findings chime with an Emerson College poll which found that 41% of voters under 30 found the killing "acceptable," far more than in any other age group.
Noteworthy that the Emerson College Poll actually found 17% total thought it was justified, the 41% being only among young people specifically.
Not a random guy still, but the one who brought change that denied claims at double the national average. Of course they won’t admit any wrongdoing the shareholders would crucify them. It’s too soon to tell if anything meaningful will come of his actions.
Polls? Did you check who paid for those polls. I could run a poll where it says 80% of people confirm the sky is pink, but if 80% of the respondents are colour blind can we really be sure the sky is pink. Point being don’t trust polls. Don’t trust me either by the way, I’m one person who is critically online and honestly the people against Luigi’s actions were a vast minority. On here, reddit, YouTube comments (even on Ben Shapiro’s own channel), and news reports with comments. Now full transparency that might not be indicative of all people but it sure seemed that way.
Heroic === brave
Brave = ready to face and endure danger or pain. Seems appropriate to me.
Emerson College students operate Emerson College Polling, sometimes taking donations or using research grant money but they're low traffic and usually don't engage in politics. The sample size was 1000 people and saw only 17% found the killing justified.
48% of the pop feel it was justified for a random citizen to execute a guy in the street. That isn't a majority but its more than normal fraction of 1% of the people. Its right up there with how people feel about child rapists.
41% of youth
17% of people total
According to Emerson College Polling.
I don't think comparing Luigi Mangione to Child Rapists is helping your case.
I said the public holds the United Healthcare CEO and child rapists in similar esteem. I did not in fact compare Mangione to a child rapist. I've seen other polls that say 48% believe what Mangione did was either entirely or somewhat justified. You can get a LOT of difference based on exactly what you ask.
Scenario where legal team is able to pull something off:
Brave man gets best legal defense imaginable because of donations
Gets off or small sentence
Shows crazy people and billionaires this could happen again and people will help the suspect out
????????
More progress is made.
This reminds me of the fine Lemming that keeps posting something like "Things will not improve until the rich meaningfully fear for their lives"
That is probably correct.
Luigi's
familyFather is RichLuigi made 6 figures with his tech job and his multiple ivy league engineering degrees
A lot of these fundraisers probably dont even end up used for his defense, some are scams