Carnivore Diet is Ridiculous - Dr Westman Reacts - 21m
Carnivore Diet is Ridiculous - Dr Westman Reacts - 21m
Dr. Westman is one of the most well spoken, thoughtful, and science focused doctors I'm aware of. He does not sugar coat (heh) the known science; it's always worth while to listen to him
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Wheee! Love some of these nuts, and Westman is the most reasonable of the carnivore/keto doctors. Bet the nut doesn't mention our un-omnivorelike stomach acid
I thought one of Baker's main argument is "we couldn't have gotten through the recent ice age without surviving on just meat"
Not at all! the only approach toward science he uses is the "it's obvious"....
He clearly isn't interested in a dialog or building knowledge with people (I'm wrong about 50% of my stuff! at least)
I think the first thing I learnt about diet was that diet science has a half life of 5 years
Not sure I agree with that, the RCTs, the hard science studies from 1890, 1930, 1970, etc... All stand the test of time. The human body when observed objectively responds to stimulation the same.
I do agree the observational studies, the expert opinions, the guidelines, the meta-analysis of observational studies - has a clear bias and cyclic nature. Ancel Keys is the posterchild of bad faith science, throwing evidence away that didn't suit his narrative.
If you haven't read https://isupportgary.com/articles/the-plant-based-diet-is-vegan I highly recommend it, about the third party interests interfering with nutrition science (or the lack thereof). I'll probably do a post on it (without using the Vegan word in the post title) just to talk about outside interference
So much nutrition science is interest group questionnaire epidemiology studies with dodgy food grouping ("burgers" is coded as meat) and rely on long term – 5 years – memory of meals
I'm pretty sure there's enough low quality science to vanish over short timespans
YES! No policy or conclusion should EVER be based on food frequency questionnaires.
OVER THE LAST YEAR? Who remembers over the last year?
People are using poor quality data like this to say LCHF doesn't work, when these people are not in ketosis..... Bad faith science to push an agenda, upsets me
I think the nurses study was 5 years. How many medium servings is 900g rib eye?
Also even good observational data can be sliced for an agenda! https://hackertalks.com/post/5676721
I don't think I could eat 900g of ribeye in one whole day. I barely eat 300g of ground beef in a day
I average just under a kilo a day, sometimes in a single meal when I didn't eat enough the day before
I ate a lot less when I was getting less fat, ate last leaner then too
Elanoria – one of the Reddit carni mods – says she eats 3lbs a day
Impressive! Quite the engine they have built.
I was confusing him with Berry. It's dr Berry that I especially respect
I like them both!
I think Berry is a good practitioner, he is confident in his bedside manner, considerate of his patients needs, has strong opinions but will change as the situation requires.
Westman is more the conservative academic, sticking to what is published and known beyond a reasonable doubt before making general recommendations. i.e. Westman says the anti-seedoil theories are compelling, but he hasn't seen enough evidence to make a change for his patients. Fair enough. Importantly Westman publishes research, which is needed to advance human health.
I think In a perfect world I want Berry as the primary doctor, and Westman for second opinions if anything goes wrong.