Carnivore - Discussion community
Carnivore - Discussion community
New Community, I've created some seed posts!
Carnivore - The ultimate elimination diet
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- food
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- Be respectful of other diets, choices, lifestyles!!!!
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This is just a troll community that is cutting its nose to spite its face because the poster has some revenge fantasy towards the vegans users of Lemmy.
The carnivore diet is not healthy as humans are supposed to eat vegetables and fruit. You will damage your heart and increase your risk for cancer following this dangerous diet.
Red meat (beef, veal, pork, lamb and mutton) consumption contributes several important nutrients to the diet, for example essential amino acids, vitamins (including B12) and minerals (including iron and zinc). Processed red meat (ham, sausages, bacon, frankfurters, salami, etc.) undergoes treatment (curing, smoking, salting or the use of chemical preservatives and additives) to improve its shelf life and/or taste. During recent decades, consumption of red meat has been increasing globally, especially in developing countries. At the same time, there has been growing evidence that high consumption of red meat, especially of processed meat, may be associated with an increased risk of several major chronic diseases. Here, a comprehensive summary is provided of the accumulated evidence based on prospective cohort studies regarding the potential adverse health effects of red meat consumption on major chronic diseases, such as diabetes, coronary heart disease, heart failure, stroke and cancer at several sites, and mortality. Risk estimates from pooled analyses and meta-analyses are presented together with recently published findings. Based on at least six cohorts, summary results for the consumption of unprocessed red meat of 100 g day-1 varied from nonsignificant to statistically significantly increased risk (11% for stroke and for breast cancer, 15% for cardiovascular mortality, 17% for colorectal and 19% for advanced prostate cancer); for the consumption of 50 g day-1 processed meat, the risks were statistically significantly increased for most of the studied diseases (4% for total prostate cancer, 8% for cancer mortality, 9% for breast, 18% for colorectal and 19% for pancreatic cancer, 13% for stroke, 22% for total and 24% for cardiovascular mortality and 32% for diabetes). Potential biological mechanisms underlying the observed risks and the environmental impact of red meat production are also discussed. The evidence-based integrated message is that it is plausible to conclude that high consumption of red meat, and especially processed meat, is associated with an increased risk of several major chronic diseases and preterm mortality. Production of red meat involves an environmental burden. Therefore, some European countries have already integrated these two issues, human health and the 'health of the planet', into new dietary guidelines and recommended limiting consumption of red meat.
humans are supposed to eat vegetables and fruit
Hmmm hmmm. Along with meat, because humans are omnivores.
If you choose to live a different lifestyle, for ethics or sustainability, then that's your choice. But don't go making up biological, science-sounding falsehoods. Our closest evolutionary cousins are omnivores, just like ourselves.
It is scientifically backed that you don’t need to eat meat.
New research published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition shows that both plant-based protein and meat build muscle equally well however because plant-protein comes with less 'baggage' in the form of harmful components it's the more beneficial protein source to use.
A study published last week in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that dietary protein derived from plant sources built muscle just as well as protein from meat sources. However meat also comes with additional components that are harmful to our health, including antibiotic residue, hormones, saturated fat, trans-fats, endotoxins, cholesterol, Neu5Gc, heterocyclic amines and contaminants such as high levels of metals including copper and arsenic. These undesirable elements increase inflammation and promote various diseases thus making meat a less desirable option when building muscle and long term health are considered.
https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/plant-protein-best-for-building-muscle
Anyone can follow a vegan diet – from children to teens to older adults. It’s even healthy for pregnant or nursing mothers. A well-planned vegan diet is high in fibre, vitamins and antioxidants. Plus, it’s low in saturated fat and cholesterol. This healthy combination helps protect against chronic diseases. Vegans have lower rates of heart disease, diabetes and certain types of cancer than non-vegans. Vegans also have lower blood pressure levels than both meat-eaters and vegetarians and are less likely to be overweight.
"There's certainly some research on the benefits of the vegetarian diet," says Kathy McManus, director of the Department of Nutrition at Harvard-affiliated Brigham and Women's Hospital. She ticks off the various advantages associated with this way of eating—lower body mass index and blood pressure; reduced risks for heart disease, diabetes, and cancer; and longer life.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/is-a-vegetarian-or-vegan-diet-for-you
The objective of this article is to present to physicians an update on plant-based diets. Concerns about the rising cost of health care are being voiced nationwide, even as unhealthy lifestyles are contributing to the spread of obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease. For these reasons, physicians looking for cost-effective interventions to improve health outcomes are becoming more involved in helping their patients adopt healthier lifestyles. Healthy eating may be best achieved with a plant-based diet, which we define as a regimen that encourages whole, plant-based foods and discourages meats, dairy products, and eggs as well as all refined and processed foods. We present a case study as an example of the potential health benefits of such a diet. Research shows that plant-based diets are cost-effective, low-risk interventions that may lower body mass index, blood pressure, HbA1C, and cholesterol levels. They may also reduce the number of medications needed to treat chronic diseases and lower ischemic heart disease mortality rates. Physicians should consider recommending a plant-based diet to all their patients, especially those with high blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, or obesity.
the only peer reviewed source you provided spends as much time detailing risks as it does explaining potential benefits, and it's based on a single case study.
the only peer reviewed source you provided spends as much time detailing risks as it does explaining potential benefits.
That doesn’t disprove anything at all. The health benefits are there and it’s not difficult at all to eat a variety of grains, seeds, mushrooms, vegetables, fruit. You only need one of each supplement: the multivitamin and omega 3 every day.
Also byw people in general are not getting enough vitamin d and fibre in the average diet.
You’re just putting your head in the sand to keep up your old habits while ignoring the evidence just like an anti-vaxxer.
it shows that the evidence you've provided doesn't actually support your claim
Now you’re just moving the goal posts and claiming what ever suits your beliefs.
no, I'm examining your position, and the evidence provided, and found that they are insufficient.
“Insufficient” despite the fact these are reputable sources. I’m done debating with a troll.
Here are more studies on the topic though if you're interested in reading them:
Many credible physicians recommend Whole-food plant-based diets (WFPB).
Nutritional Update for Physicians: Plant-Based Diets
Ten years of life: Is it a matter of choice?
Low-carbohydrate diets and all-cause and cause-specific mortality: two cohort studies.
Plant Foods Have a Complete Amino Acid Composition
Mortality in vegetarians and comparable nonvegetarians in the United Kingdom
Beyond Meatless, the Health Effects of Vegan Diets: Findings from the Adventist Cohorts
The Health Advantage of a Vegan Diet: Exploring the Gut Microbiota Connection
Milk intake and risk of mortality and fractures in women and men: cohort studies.
Vegetarian Diets and Medical Expenditure in Taiwan—A Matched Cohort Study
Energy and protein feed-to-food conversion efficiencies
Analysis and valuation of the health and climate change cobenefits of dietary change
calling me names won't change the facts.
only one of them* is peer-reviewed. it doesn't actually support the claim that you're using it to support. The others are of dubious validity, but they also don't make the same very strong claim that you have.
edit: "them" was in reference to the comment a few back in the thread. the gish gallop of links that appeared after i wrote this comment all appear to be peer reviewed.
if anyone thinks any of these spammed links is proof, please point it out. I'm not clicking every one. this is the most blatant Gish gallops I've seen in months.
Sure you don't need to eat anything besides condensed nutrient paste. But humans certainly evolved eating meat. There places in the world where large scale agriculture is effectively impossible because of the terrain and most nutrients come from grazing animals.
A tomato grown in Iceland has many times the carbon footprint compared a free range goat which just grazes on some fjords for a few years.
How do you spot a non-vegan? Don't worry they'll tell you
It's not a troll. I genuinely don't care what other people eat. I'm going to talk about it, and I want a place to talk about it.
The study you link to, is comically, linking all of the metabolic syndromes to the consumption of meat.
Let's consider diabetes, type 2 diabetes is defined as the inability for the body to regulate blood glucose. Blood glucose is introduced from the consumption of sugar, or carbohydrates, or fructose.
A type 2 diabetic can bring their blood sugar down, just by not eating glucose, or sugar, or fructose, or carbohydrates.
Fat, and protein, which is what most animal food is, does not introduce glucose into the blood.
You don’t have eat only meat to avoid having too much sugar.
Just eat whole foods, there are so many grains, vegetables, fruit, nuts and seeds you could eat instead.
Don’t go for the fast food meals, processed stuff or candy.
Carbohydrates are converted to glucose in the liver. Someone who needs to maintain very strict glycemic control needs to be careful with grains and fruit.
You’re clearly talking out of your ass.
You don't have to take my word for it.
https://doi.org/10.2337/diab.26.12.1178 - Plasma Responses to different Carbohydrates - 1977
You don't even have to trust the literature, blood glucose monitors are ubiquitous and inexpensive. You can measure your own glucose response to different foods. This is why diabetics taking exogenous insulin have to dose their insulin based on the carbohydrates they are consuming.
That study you sent doesn’t prove the carnivore idea at all.
I can't read your mind, when you call me names and say I'm wrong, I have to use context to guess what the topic actually is. So I gave you date on carbohydrate glycemic load, which was the content of the message that you insulted me for... A reasonable person would assume you had a issue with the topic you were responding to.