The U.S. is not now and never has been a democracy. Oligarchy was baked into their constitution from the beginning. Only rich white males had the vote, women were not much more than property, POC WERE actual property, and the indigenous peoples were vermin to be genocided and their land stolen. Some window dressing has changed over the years but no actual power has shifted away from rich white males. Now they are not even bothering to hide it anymore.
When decent people do have elections, the liberal democrats are libeling them. Russia's elections are not real, Venezuela's elections are rigged, Georgia's has been magically interfered with. Then they're rigging elections, like in Moldova where Russian diaspora was prevented from voting.
Red flag #1. Most who care urgently about collapsing democracy in the US also care about collapsing democracy in other places in the world. Caring about only one side of the equation and making excuses for the other is what we call a tell.
There are people on the opposite side, who care deeply about Georgia but will tell you disenfranchisement of the people in America isn't a problem, but most of them work for the US State Department.
These democracy grifters are like the wolf who cried wolf. Thankfully, nobody believes them. They get voted out at every fair opportunity.
Like in... Georgia? Venezuela? I was sincerely confused about what this was even talking about, but I think that's what they mean.
Take Ukraine, as America did. Their actual democracy was couped in 2014 and now they have a literal actor playing a part. They fought much of their Russian-speaking population for years and then picked a fight with Russia itself, something no independent country would do because it's stupid.
There are people on the opposite side, who care deeply about Georgia but will tell you disenfranchisement of the people in America isn’t a problem, but most of them work for the US State Department.
State Department cares deeply about a geopolitical square it could use to diminish Russia with. Yes democracy is rigged in US for Israel and oligarchy, but it is rigged in US favour everywhere else, especially its allies. Paying Venezuelan narco gangs to protest elections, or needing CIA-NGOs to tell Georgians that they will easily join Europe if they just start another stupid war, is never about "true democracy" or humanist prosperity. It is purely about control for purely evil ambitions of dominance.
Narratives that democracy is rigged whenever the winner doesn't want to take bribes for cheap privatization deals, or serve as a sacrificial pawn in US empire's war spending is too easy to make, and always made because the outcome is genuinely more in favour of the nation's people than the US empire hoped.
The underlying thing I see in your comment is cynicism about the idea that anybody actually cares purely about human rights and democracy. Outside of government agencies, there are a lot of people who do.
The State Department rigs a lot of things, yes, and they don't especially care about democracy except when it serves their interests. Certainly not historically.
I was saying that you didn't seem to look at things in these few comments through anything other than the lens of, "is Russia going to diminish, and State Department prevail, or will it be the other way around." You're claiming to care about the people of Venezuela and Ukraine, but it always lines up perfectly coincidentally with what Russian state TV says is the right thing for the people of Venezuela and Ukraine. For reasons, of course, of "true democracy" and humanist prosperity.
The two governments are both pursuing oligarchy. Famously so. Your first paragraph that is criticism of the State Department for its brand of oligarchy, I roughly agree with.
What I am saying is that there is a whole new way to believe, which sees the independent people of Ukraine, Georgia, North Carolina, France, and Palestine as all deserving of setting their own destiny, and views all of their struggle in much the same light. Against oligarchy of all kinds. That's what seems to be missing from your narrative. If I have missed it, tell me.