Anyone else out there who actually really loved Discovery's S1 style of Klingons?
Anyone else out there who actually really loved Discovery's S1 style of Klingons?
I am the kind of person who enjoys "big weird" scifi like Stanisław Lem. Stories about trying to relate to and find common ground with something so alien that the prospect of even understanding is basically hopeless. Star Trek usually doesn't do stories that, which makes sense as it often uses alien races as allegories or stand-ins for real-world human relations.
That said- I thought those early Klingons were super weird and scary because they were just so alien. It really made sense thinking about how it took a century before they could get to the events of Star Trek VI, and it made the Khittomer accords feel like so much more of an accomplishment. Like- you made a treaty with WHAT?
And just aesthetically their ships and armor looked like something out of HP Lovecraft or HR Geiger:
This is not to say I dislike how Klingons were portrayed previously, kinda like Mongols in TOS or Vikings in DS9, just that they never felt scary to me. They never felt like warriors. I was never afraid for the gallant crew of the Enterprise D (a science and exploration vessel) going into battle against Klingons. But I really enjoyed the alien-ness Disco tried to go with. Anyone else with me?
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No.
If STD wanted to do something different, then they should have gone 300 years into the future beyond TNG and done something different.
Since Enterprise I have hated that all the new Trek properties have been prequels. The people who are now responsible for Trek either do not trust themselves enough to come up with original ideas or (more likely) have a significant disdain for the property to begin with and don't want to come up with original ideas, for fear of being taken for someone who might do such a thing (ie: nerds).
Thus they can push the property forward supposedly building on the ideas of others, but in order to foist the appearance of originality on everybody in the face of this, they drastically - and without explanation - alter fundamental aspects of the source material. They do this apparently not imagining there will be a backlash. The inability to imagine a backlash can only come from their own personal dislike for the source material. They either find it so goofy and ridiculous that they can't imagine anyone else would be passionate about it - or (again, more likely) they find themselves so superior to the source material in their own minds that no matter what they do, they are certain it will be seen as an improvement. Even if it isn't seen that way, they don't care, again, because fucking nerds.
Klingons are a thing. Extremely well developed, lots of interesting lore. OK, so these new aliens are more scary. They're more dangerous. They're more like warriors. Fine. Put them on a different planet 300 years in the future and stop shitting on the past. Same thing with their stupid fucking mushroom drive hooked up to tardigrade nipples.
Edit: I feel like I should mention, I like SNW even though it's a prequel. Look what it did: changed an alien species (the Gorn) that we really don't know much about - smart(er)!
This is the correct take. DSC should've taken place in the future, it was screaming to, but they thought they were better than Trek and could do whatever they want.
And its a shame Stamets is stuck in there with the tardigrade nipples. Such a good engineer character.
Yeah, I really think a lot of the support for the Klingon redesign and other revisionist aspects of Discovery/the current era of trek it spawned comes from a "but the Original Series is cringe fail and LAME. We have to make cool science fiction action shows for the modern era and couldn't possibly respect such an old show" mentality.
I really think a lot of the support for the Klingon redesign and other revisionist aspects of Discovery/the current era of trek it spawned comes from a “but the Original Series is cringe fail and LAME.
Huge if true. Can you provide some examples of people saying that? I can't seem to find any in this thread.
I've yet to find any rule stating only that which was commented on this post is valid evidence. You'd have to have your head in the sand to miss that the current iteration of Star Trek stems back to the 2009 reboot movie which literally was marketed as "its not your father's Star Trek" and who's director continually complained that he found TNG and TOS to be "too cerebral". Alex Kurtzman, the guy in charge now, entered the franchise with '09. I don't think he's got the same mentality per se, but given that pre-Kurtzman trek saw past sets and props faithfully recreated and even celebrated (Relics from TNG, Trials and Tribble-ations from DS9, In a Mirror Darkly from ENT), while the current iteration, with a few exceptions (Beyond, Lower Decks, Prodigy), feels almost embarassed that it's a spinoff of a campy show.
Who said anything about rules? I'm just wondering if what you're saying has any basis in, you know, reality.
You, when you got on my case for referencing discussions and things I'd seen outside this thread.
Here's a discussion about the marketing for 09, to refer to an example of what I'm talking about.
The Kurtzman era of trek's default is to be embarrassed to be a spin-off of a campy 60s sci-fi show. For me, Beyond, Prodigy, and Lower Decks are the handful of cases where they don't seem to be trying to "fix" or "solve" being attached to TOS.
Quote me, with a link, where I said something about the rules.
And I'm putting the mod hat on now, because being truthful is a rule here, so you'd better be 100% honest and accurate with what you provide.
Plus with the success of The Orville, it shows that you don't need to do a 'gritty reboot' to be successful in modern times. The Orville is basically off-brand TNG.
I so desperately wish that the Orville writers (IE, the DS9 and TNG writers I liked the most) were writing for current trek. So much of the criticisms levelled at the Berman-era are rectified here, and the show doesn't serve as propaganda for the US state department.
- We follow up with planets (or get more explicit narration about how they didn't just abandon some random planet to fend for itself after "fixing" a problem)
- Characters remember things from past episodes
- Gay and trans storylines
- Union politics make more sense than Federation politics
All without:
- Promoting the space NSA (Section 31)
- Promoting the view that governments have no choice but to act in bad faith so its up to Great Individuals to ensure they stay on the correct path
Personally I'm glad those transphobic fucks aren't allowed anywhere near Star Trek.