Our family mail server quit working today. Maybe it's a bit long in the tooth...
Our family mail server quit working today. Maybe it's a bit long in the tooth...
Apparently I installed that thing in 2006 and I last updated it in 2016, then I quit updating it for some reason that I totally forgot. Probably laziness...
It's been running for quite some time and we kind of forgot about it in the closet, until the SSH tunnel we use to get our mail outside our home stopped working because modern openssh clients refuse to use the antiquated key cipher I setup client machines with way back when any longer.
I just generated new keys with a more modern cipher that it understands (ecdsa-sha2-nistp256) and left it running. Because why not 🙂
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Because why not 🙂
Because security.
It's behind a firewall. The only thing exposed to the outside is port 22 - and only pubkey login too.
And gee dude... It's been running for 18 years without being pwned 🙂
It hasnt been pwned so far
For that matter, it hasn't been ransomwared. There are so many ways to hide a compromise.
without being pwned
How do you know?
There's a file called /pwnedornot and it contains "no, you're safe bro"
Mine does
And it's not like it contains any sensitive information. I'm sure all your emails are just friendly correspondence with your pen pal.
I'd still maybe build a modern OpenSSH package.
There's been an awful lot of RCEs in the past two decades and uh, if that's rawdogging the internet, I'm honestly shocked you haven't been hit with any by now.
Eh, building anything modern on a system that old would be painful I bet.
Maybe you could use https://github.com/openssh/openssh-portable since that’s meant to be portable. I’d certainly would give it a try if I didn’t want to bother trying to upgrade that system. Then again, trying to upgrade it through the releases to a modern Debian might be fun too.
How do you know? Do you constantly monitor running processes, performance and network connections?
How do you know? OpenSSH is pretty good but it isn't impenetrable. Especially for almost 10 years.
Did you really only use it when you were home? If you used it outside the firewall then port 25 must have been open also.
I used to run my own server and this was in the early 90s. Then one day, perusing the logs I realized I was not smart enough on the security front to even attempt such a thing. It was quickly shut down and the MX record moved to an outsourced mail provider.
Most 'hackers' are just mid tier (mediocre) IT level types who rely on existing exploits floating around in the wild. It'd probably be hard to find any still in circulation for such an old system.
We're not talking about some punch card COBOL machine he jimmy rigged with network access, it's an old Debian Linux box with SSH enabled.
It's not like Metasploit would have a tough time finding unpatched vulnerabilities for it...
What makes it a even bigger target is the fact that it is a mail server
Unless it's for SMTP only, it's probably a back end sever to some other front facing box, or service, that has IP addresses whitelisted for email.
I'm pretty sure I read one of his comments elsewhere talking about tunneling everything over SSH, so I assume that's what he meant, but I could be mistaken.
Regardless, using an EOL distro as an internet facing SSH server that's 8 years behind on SSH updates, is probably a bad idea.
It isn't the "hackers" you should worry about. Its the nation states that take over huge numbers of machines.
If the NSA (GCHQ here in the UK) want my emails they're getting it either way, I'm not able to stop nation states
I was more referring to foreign countries and cyberwarfare. Like it or not counties have now realized cyberattacks can be very devastating. A compromised server may very well be used for all sorts of purposes that many are probably not ok with.
As a private person, defending against nation threat actors is impossible. And not only as a private person, but even as a medium sized company.
You just need to not be the easy target. You don't need outrun the bear you just need to be ahead of whatever Joe is doing