Israel Accused of Running “Torture Camps” as Video Emerges of Soldiers Raping Palestinian Prisoner
Israel Accused of Running “Torture Camps” as Video Emerges of Soldiers Raping Palestinian Prisoner
The Israeli human rights group B’Tselem has published a major new report documenting how the Israeli prison system has become “a network of torture camps,” where physical, psychological and sexual abuse of Palestinian prisoners is normalized and routine. The report, titled “Welcome to Hell,” collect...
The Israeli human rights group B’Tselem has published a major new report documenting how the Israeli prison system has become “a network of torture camps,” where physical, psychological and sexual abuse of Palestinian prisoners is normalized and routine.
The report, titled “Welcome to Hell,” collects the testimony of 55 Palestinians who were detained by Israeli authorities since October 7 and later released, almost all without charges. This comes as a group of U.N. experts condemned the widespread torture of Palestinians and as Israel’s Channel 12 News aired shocking footage of Israeli soldiers sexually abusing a prisoner at the Sde Teiman army base, where thousands of detainees from Gaza are held.
Sarit Michaeli, the international advocacy lead for B’Tselem, says the abuse in Israeli prisons is “systemic, ongoing and state-sanctioned,” reflecting the cruelty and thirst for revenge among a growing number of Israelis. “They would like to have a completely open field in terms of what they can do to Palestinians,” says Michaeli.
You can find the full report of testimonies here
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Expanding that to the sole population is like calling all Israelis Kahanites, ...
You did just call me that. I don't know what it means.
You were talking about 1920. That's Battle of Tel Hai and the Nebi Musa riots.
1920 is 30 years after the first settlement. I believe the first settlement were hippies who wanted to live in peace. A lot of them had just moved there from a crazy situation in Russia. Why is it a crazy notion they want to live in peace? You don't explain why they were attacked and pillaged and I can't find that. Other than Arab marauders have always looted and pillaged for hundreds of years?
That is maybe part of the context to all those moderate actions Britain took.
You called me a kahanite well what about you? Left wing anti Semite?
You did just call me that. I don’t know what it means.
And yet you comment on Israel. LMFAO. I already had you half-pegged as an Israeli but that definitely disqualifies you, you know nothing about Israel.
A lot of them had just moved there from a crazy situation in Russia. Why is it a crazy notion they want to live in peace?
Nothing, whatsoever. Where it becomes problematic is turning it into a colonial project. And no, early Zionists were not at all shy about calling what they were doing colonialism.
1920 is 30 years after the first settlement.
1920 is what the article you linked starts off with. It has pretty much nothing to do with Rischon LeZion.
You don’t explain why they were attacked and pillaged and I can’t find that. Other than Arab marauders have always looted and pillaged for hundreds of years?
Who got pillaged, when? And, yes, shit happens. The right course of action would've been to round up the perpetrators and put them before court. What the Idrun did, instead, was to bomb police stations and market places.
As to your insinuations of antisemitism: I'm German with Jewish roots. My grandfather barely survived the race laws. My aunt lives in Israel. I could grab my passport, fly to Israel, and get citizenship on arrival. My political stance regarding the whole thing can be best summed up as vaguely Labour-Zionist. You know, the kind of Israelis who get beaten up by Israeli police right now for protesting the genocide. The kind of people more concerned with pudding prices than killing Arabs.
There's two things to understand if you ever want to see an end to the bloodshed in that area:
- There can be no Israeli security without Palestinian freedom
- There can be no Palestinian freedom without Israeli security
Fascists on both sides are happy to make sure neither of the two ever happens. They mutually depend on each other.
I already had you half-pegged as an Israeli but that definitely disqualifies you, you know nothing about Israel.
That contradicts itself. How can you have me half pegged as an Israeli if I know nothing. I would have to know a decent amount of something.
And no, early Zionists were not at all shy about calling what they were doing colonialism.
Ohh no they setup a colony where persecuted Jews across Europe could escape to. You might wonder if the Jews moving to that area may have been a good thing? With the Jews also brought lots of Arab immigrants as well. And just for some numbers in 1900 there were around 600,000 Arabs in Israel and 90 thousand Jews.
1920 is what the article you linked starts off with. It has pretty much nothing to do with Rischon LeZion
Yes it does. It shows how things escalated over the 30 years after the settlement of Rishon LeZion and to what degree the Palestine Arabs escalated it.
Who got pillaged, when? And, yes, shit happens. The right course of action would've been to round up the perpetrators and put them before court. What the Idrun did, instead, was to bomb police stations and market places.
Rishon LeZion. 1983 while they were starving with no water well trying to transport water on camelback to farm the land. How can they round up the perpetrators? I'm assuming the perpetrators hide behind some guarded fortress. You think a starving people is going to accomplish that?
Then back to the Jerusalem Post article the relevant part is here: you even pointed to it yourself.
But there was much more than the Arab misinterpretation of our Western-minded moderation and inclination to delude ourselves that if we overlook sporadic barrages from Gaza, its homicidal ardor will somehow dissipate.
Here are some announcements and warnings the Irgun gave to Palestine-Arabs. Why are you so apologetic for those murderers?
The National Military Organization has warned you, if the murderous attacks on Jewish civilians shall continue, its soldiers will penetrate your centers of activity and plague you. You have not heeded the warning. You continued to harm our brothers and murder them in wild cruelty. Therefore soldiers of the National Military Organization will go on the attack, as we have warned you.
... However even in these frenzied times, when Arab and Jewish blood is spilled at the British enslaver, we hereby call upon you ... to stop the attacks and create peace between us. We do not want a war with you. We are certain that neither do you want a war with us...[57]
That contradicts itself. How can you have me half pegged as an Israeli if I know nothing. I would have to know a decent amount of something.
You can regurgitate right-wing Israeli propaganda myths quite well, that's not common outside of Israel. But from an Israeli the reaction to Kahanites being mentioned would have been either a) "Hell yeah sure let's kill all Arabs" or b) "No Kahanites are terrible you see my position is different because I want Arabs dead not because I hate them but because I'm afraid of them" or c) "fuck yeah they're our version of Hamas keeping the bullshit conflict going".
You might wonder if the Jews moving to that area may have been a good thing?
You mean whether colonialism is a good thing? No. No, it isn't.
Rishon LeZion. 1983
...erm, what? If you meant 1893, well, first off it's a bad idea to start off an agricultural settlement without specialists in agriculture or irrigation, secondly, I was speaking generally. It would've first been British responsibility to round up instigators, which they couldn't really do because Zionists, instead of working with the British, bombed them instead, nowadays it's Israeli responsibility and we all know how Apartheid courts work: Throw a stone at a tank, not even scratching the paint, get sentenced to 15 years in prison. As a juvenile, mind you.
You think a starving people is going to accomplish that?
You're again talking about Rishon LeZion's startup trouble, I presume. How is the responsibility of random Johnny Arab to go out of their way to help some random Jews wanting to settle in the middle of nowhere without proper preparation. Why would they owe the settlers that.
Here are some announcements and warnings the Irgun gave to Palestine-Arabs. Why are you so apologetic for those murderers?
Oh. Is that it? "We warned them we would be bombing the shit out of marketplaces and they didn't cease to do perfectly normal and peaceful things like visiting the market to buy and sell food so we had no choice but to terrorise them". That is murder apologia if I've ever seen it.
to stop the attacks and create peace between us. We do not want a war with you. We are certain that neither do you want a war with us
And yet the terror continued.
You mean whether colonialism is a good thing? No. No, it isn't.
Then why did the population of Arabs in the area exponentially grow. It doesn't seem as bad as you make it to be. You act like Jews came there and stole their land and pillaged them. As I pointed out with Rishon LeZion in 1883 it's not really the case it's the other way around if anything.
Why shouldn't Jews have a colony in Israel anyways? Why only Arabs?
which they couldn't really do because Zionists, instead of working with the British, bombed them instead,
Wonder why they would do that? British sure we're helping them. /s
Anyways for someone who hates colonialism so much you sure are upset they got the Brits up out of there.
How is the responsibility of random Johnny Arab to go out of their way to help some random Jews wanting to settle in the middle of nowhere without proper preparation. Why would they owe the settlers that.
No, you know, you're right. Instead it was their responsibility to pillage them. Why would they owe them anything else than the pillaging of their starving settlement. Cowards. And you're upset they lost their own war? From what I read they were always savage pillagers for hundreds of years. Until someone checked them. And they checked them fucking hard. Deservingly at that.
We warned them we would be bombing the shit out of marketplaces and they didn't cease to do perfectly normal and peaceful things like visiting the market to buy and sell food so we had no choice but to terrorise them"
Maybe they didn't heed to the warnings and stop terrorizing people themselves. Wtf are you supposed to do? Wait another 30 years and hope it all stops?
Also you have to think once they got their own state or colony or whatever you call it the Irgun ended all that. On top of it the Irgun isn't an official entity of the Israeli government. In fact their govt labeled them a terrorist organization.
And yet the terror continued.
Of course it did. They been terrorizing for hundreds of years.
Then why did the population of Arabs in the area exponentially grow.
Because child mortality decreased while birth rates didn't fall. Natural population growth.
Why shouldn’t Jews have a colony in Israel anyways? Why only Arabs?
Jews have always lived in the area as not all Palestinians happened to convert to Christianity and later Islam back in the day.
Why should random diaspora Jews have a right to settle there, though? Two different ways:
- Ask nicely, and if the people already there agree, come on over, or
- Terrorise the local population into submission
Israel is founded on a myth of #1 while actually doing, or at least tolerating, #2. That's what the Nakhba was.
Also you have to think once they got their own state or colony or whatever you call it the Irgun ended all that.
It became state policy.
Did you ever wonder where the IDF was on the 7th of October? Why it wasn't at the ready to repel the attack? It was busy backing up settler violence in the West Bank. Or do you want to deny what Israel is doing in the West Bank? The state-sanctioned terror going on there?
Of course it did. They been terrorizing for hundreds of years.
No, actually, they didn't. Jews haven't terrorised anyone for millennia, that's a development which started with Zionism, particularly in its right-wing incarnations.
- Ask nicely, and if the people already there agree, come on over,
"No stay where you are in Russia where they are killing and raping you."
Nakhba
You have revisionist context. The nakhba started in 1948. You act like the Palestine Arabs did nothing wrong themselves over the 66 years since the first settlements.
In 1922 11% of the population was Jew settlers.
that's a development which started with Zionism, particularly in its right-wing
It started after 30 years of being ransacked by the Arabian looters of the area who were doing that for at least 300 years.
Then you brought up land sales as well. So, this all started because they sold their land to Jews then were mad Jews moved into the land?
Or do you want to deny what Israel is doing in the West Bank? The state-sanctioned terror going on there?
People were once saying there was no Hamas in West Bank. There were no supporters there. Then it came out Hamas was indeed there. They should just leave them alone, eh?
“No stay where you are in Russia where they are killing and raping you.”
Why Israel? As far as I can see New York is the real Zion.
Then it came out Hamas was indeed there. They should just leave them alone, eh?
What the burned olive trees, cared about for by one Palestinian family for generations, were Hamas?
You're worried about olive trees when they kill innocent and kidnap them into torture tunnels? You're worried about West bank terrorist olive trees? Olive trees are what you're worried about? While there are still hostages in tunnels you worry about olive trees?
They should burn every last centuries old as well as sapling olive tree until those people are returned.
In a video of one protest in the West Bank city of Jenin on the night of July 31, one Palestinian man yelled, “We from the land of Jenin affirm that we are all Hamas,” as he led dozens of people walking through the streets.
Would you say the olive trees of jenin are Hamas olive trees?
One guy yelled that all are Hamas? When the rest didn't say anything then obviously it must be true because it's what you like to believe.