Sysadmin @lemmy.world Mautobu @lemmy.world 5mo ago

VMWare FUD. Anyone moving away from it professionally?

I've been seeing a lot of doom and gloom about VMware. The cutting of services and licensing changes of the cost of core offerings are huge issues. Is anyone planning or budgeting to change to another hypervisor? If so what?

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Not sure what or how it will affect us.

We’re a mid sized org we may stick unless it gets to crazy

It is kinda amazing that I’m assuming they did the math ; that so many smaller orgs just don’t matter
- I'm kind of in the same boat. Mid sized with enough cash to deal with the new status quo.
We are an enterprise manufacturing company. We have lots of hosts on process networks not connected to the internet. Seems like the subscription license won’t be compatible, so we plan to seriously look at Proxmox for those in the coming years as we replace hosts.

For our datacenter, we decided to move everything to Azure. This decision was in the works before the license change, but the acquisition by Broadcom and their track record certainly played a part in the conversation.

For our site hosts, we are looking into Azure HCI or possibly Hyper-V, especially since these sites don’t have many VM’s and don’t need features offered by VMware.

If you’re an Azure expert and are looking for a new job, send me a message. We’re hiring.
- I have experience with Azure IaaS, but am certainly no expert. Managed like 5 VMs max. Great with PowerShell. Wrote a script for all of our on prem servers backed up to blob storage to recover to Azure in case of natural disaster. Fun project.
I work for Disney and we're in the process of migrating all VMware boxes in our 3 data centers over to azure. We decided not to renew our contract with them. Guess it wasn't just us?
- Nope, certainly seems to be a broad issue. Surprised that Disney would switch. I suppose the savings is there though.
- Have your group ask microsoft what the charges for Azure will be for your year 3 year 4 and year 5 commitments.
  
  100% sure the Azure rep will gag on whatever they have in their mouths at that moment and start deflecting. If MS can fuck the US Government in a 10yr Azure contract, odds are pretty high they'll do the same to Disney.
  
  Source: Our company bought into O365+Azure+ADFS at a good rate for 3yrs, then got burned by MS once the honeymoon was over. They're not going to make it fun for you all once your contract ends.
Unfortunately the boss man decided to stick with VMware instead of migrating to proxmox. Sadly there’s no good migration solutions for proxmox unless you’re ok with a lot of down time.

Maybe if they can make a live convert tool I can convince him to make the switch. But until we can get past the hurdle of converting everything painfully we’re stuck.
I work in sales. I don’t sell anything related to VMware directly but customers bring it up. They are looking at other alternatives. Not sure what changed In the last two weeks but there has been an uptick in my customers talking about it. It’s early stage, so they haven’t decided on the path but they’ve decided they need to leave.
- Broadcom acquired VMware and has a reputation for making good value products into poor value product in the industry. They seem to be doing just that.
  
  That was months ago. Two weeks ago all my customers seemed to come to the conclusion, it’s time to leave.
  
  I would have planned to leave as soon as I heard the announcement. Broadcom just raises prices, cuts support unless you’re their target customers.
When Broadcom acquired Symantec our pricing and customer service for SEPM went to shit. I'd be looking to switch if I was on VMWare. If it's a small deployment, probably to native hyper-V and windows. Larger deployment, I'd be looking to change careers
- Like 30 servers and 150ish VMs. Not a huge deployment.
I've kept away from VMWare most of my career. I'd personally push for something KVM/QEMU based, if possible, whether it be Proxmox, LXD, or a RHEL offering. If you are in a fully MS shop, probably Hyper-V.
- I use KVM personally and have experience with hyperv too. I'm not really averse to anything.
I'm not affected by the change but I heard Proxmox and Xen brought up frequently as alternatives.

Of course there are always cloud providers but that's not really a good option for many.
- I feel like Broadcom is aiming for cloud-like pricing for on prem services with none of the other benefits inherent to an Azure or AWS deployment. Not exactly the way to hold onto clients.
  
  I'm familiar with proxmox and the broader KVM ecosystem. I'm also a huge fan of Veeam, who have said they're exploring support for proxmox. Shouldn't be too difficult to implement, given they have a RHEL backup product already.
  
  Exciting stuff.
  
  PBS is an excellent backup solution. I wouldn't let the lack of Veeam support on Proxmox hold you back.
  
  Instead of veam there's also https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-backup-server/overview
  
  I think Broadcom intends to dig VMware out of dept to turn it into a profitable company. This means killing off the smaller customers as 90% of the business comes from enterprises that will never switch to anything else no matter the cost.
- Proxmox is missing a lot of enterprise features. If you run a virtualized data center, it's really not going to cut it. OTOH, if you are a small operation with just a handful of virtual servers, it might be "good enough".
  
  The obvious alternative was Hyper-V, but it looks like MS is already killing it to force people into Azure.
  
  When you look at enterprise-level hypervisors, there really aren't a lot of options.
  
  What enterprise features is it missing? The only problem I see is the limited support plans.
I manage 30 Esxi hosts with around 800 VMs currently on vSphere Enterprise licensing. Our company is preparing for the worst case by employing a 3yr plan involving:

Upgrading all perpetual lics still under contract to vsphere 8

(So we can run on unsupported vsphere 8 for up to 3yrs. if needed or until a resolution is found)

Assigning members from QC, Cyber security and Systems as an exploratory solutions planning group who report to the CIO and CTO.

(So we can explore different hybrid solutions, assign them for evaluation and give feedback based on those findings annually)

Hiring a Reseller partner of ours to do an audit plus an impact analysis in moving our environment from VMware to one of the exploratory solutions planning group recommendations.

(My company fancies getting 'non-biased' opinions from external sources, so we tolerate it)

Building active-active, multi -master, active-passive and active-failover hybrid solutions including those with SaaS vendors for our highest value systems.

(While expensive to do, this option gives us a clear nuclear level fuck you to VMware should pricing become too outrageous and we decide to pull out of renewal)

In the end, we will probably give VMware a 3yr probation period, regardless of cost and have a clear migratory path before that time should we decide that VMware's TCO is no longer viable.
- Definitely the best thought out plan I've seen yet. Solid.

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