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[Done] Pictrs Migration- Between NOW and 1700 UTC Image Upload Disabled

Hi all, We will be attempting to migrate Pict-rs tomorrow starting at 1700 UTC. Between now and 1700, image uploads will be disabled to try and avoid any data loss. You will still be able to like, comment and post until then. During the upgrade window, Pict-rs will be offline, so viewing images might not work. In theory CloudFlares CDN cache should cover us during the window, but YMMV. Hopefully everything should go smooth, but we do our best to make sure we have backups!

You can monitor our site health at https://dash.lemmy.world and https://status.lemmy.world

We will post updates to https://mastodon.world/@LemmyWorld as well.

Cheers, LW Infra Team ๐Ÿ’—

Update This change is done. Images are now hosted on S3 storage and uploads are re-enabled.

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  • Thanks. Can we also please block threads?

    • There will be a announcement soon and even if we dont defederate you can simply block threads yourself in 0.19!

      • 0.19

        ETA for update to that? Seems to work fine on the servers I'm aware of.

        • In the next week we will upgrade our test environment and test our automation there, if everything works fine we will then be doing it probably the week after that.

      • Want to say this because the release notes make it perfectly clear. Instance blocking is not and cannot be considered an alternative to defederation.

        Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesnโ€™t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

        Not a replacement for defederation, it's still needed to keep instances healthy. Plus the fact that Lemmy doesn't really even have blocks, they're just mutes called blocks (which are only useful under the assumption that the blocked account is innocent, and the blocker is just having a fit or doesn't have credibility), if we had a way to restrict malicious users then I would say being more hands off isn't that bad but as it stands there isn't so defederation and moderation is still important and can't be substituted with blocking.

        • But for those "I hate that instance BLOCK IT!!!!! FOR MURICA!!!!!!" A instance wide defederation is too much. But for those really bad like csam or racist, radical instances it is the best to defederate.

          • That is a fair point, and I would agree if the only people calling for threads defederation were the snowflakes (the overly sensative opininated users you speak of). However many people have highlighted important reasons why threads federation isn't a good idea.

            Reasons such as:

            • Embrace Extend Extinguish Concerns (Already discussed in great detail elsewhere I won't beat a dead horse)
            • Facebook has a very bad track record when it comes to shady and malicious practices
            • Facebook has a very poor track record when it comes to effectively moderating spam and hate speech

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            So while there are some bad and dumb reasons people argue for defederation there are legitimate concerns over this and threads.

            Side note (also a bit of a rant):

            I feel like the sensitive snowflake users ruin it for people who have legitimate and valid concerns, they undermine efforts to make spaces better because people are so used to dealing with them that when a person brings up something that could be a problem or should be addressed the default response is to dismissively just tell them to block users or instances, under the assumption that a user is one of those snowflakes. (It happened back with the Rammy situation, when the user posted to alert the fediverse that their instance was rogue).

            Personally I feel like there should be more severity when it comes to users who make false/opinionated claims so that any claims in general aren't treated as false or non-credible by default, but I also realize that would be difficult given the size of the instance and also isn't really my pace to decide since I'm not responsible for user moderation outside of my own communities or ones I mod in.

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            Just some things to think about. Also sorry for the late response, been having trouble on my Lemmy app. I guess better late than never though (lot of times it is never when I'm late to check or respond).

            • We will see. We will be of course not cu ksu king if we see a lot of just spam, hate or just ads to "Come over to threads" ads in any way we will look into defedarating them.

      • I implore you to read the article I just published regarding how people become radicalized. Your decision is ultimately going to affect the well-being and safety of the users of Lemmy.World.

        I see the suggestion of personally blocking Threads purported as a solution, but that is limited to a personal level. That does not solve the problem of radicalization of the user-base in general. Users who have not blocked them or people viewing without a profile will be potentially exposed to misinformation and extremism.

        As documented in my article, radicalization happens through a social contagion effect, in which repeated exposures reinforce the radical beliefs. People who otherwise would not believe such things become radicalized through repetition, and social media websites (including reddit and lemmy) serve as catalysts for radicalizing such vulnerable people.

        Incels were spawned through their echo-chamber on reddit, and slowly radicalized to the point in which they have committed mass murder and acts of domestic terrorism. Read sources The_Donald on reddit was originally a satire subreddit that became a pro-trump echo-chamber, which snowballed into real-world extremism and had to be banned.

        Threads has been subject to mass amounts of radicalizing, extremist content, and there have also been instances of users having personal information doxxed on Threads due to Meta's information-harvesting practices. [1]

        Threads was marketed to be open to 'free speech' and encouraged the Far-Right movement to join, who have spread extremism, hate, and harassment on Threads already. [3] Threads has been a hotbed of Israel-Palestine misinformation/propaganda. [4]

        They fired fact-checkers just prior to Threads' launch [1], however they claim they will have 3rd party fact-checkers next year. [5]

        Meta/FB has a rampant history of illegal and unethical practices, including running experiments on their users which affected their moods and induced depression in many uninformed, non-consenting subjects. [6]

        Meta/FB/Instagram also have a strong history of facilitating the spread of misinformation and extremism, which contributed to the January 6th insurrection attempt. [7]

        If exploding heads was defederated with because of this sort of toxic extremism, why would you want to federate with a platform plagued by that same content? One known for shortcomings moderating it? And one which comes from a company with a long history of unethical practices regarding users?

        With their rampant history of unethical and illegal business practices, I encourage you (the Lemmy. World team) not to federate with Threads for the well-being of the users in this instance. I have consistently seen a larger consensus of Lemmy.World users opposing federation than being interested in it.

        A significant portion of Lemmy (in general as well as Lemmy.World) users migrated here from reddit after being disappointed in the reddit administration's failure to represent their users' interests. Unlike most of the users on reddit, a significant proportion of the users on Lemmy.World are the active users who cared enough about their principles to leave and start over here.

        I have really valued the leadership of Lemmy.World thus far and have donated to you since my first week here, because I believed in this instance and our community. And I still do.

        But I will be cancelling my donations and likely finding a different instance whose ethics are more aligned with my own, should you choose to federate with Threads. I have tried to be an active user and promote discussion and sharing content on Lemmy.World. But in federating with Threads, I believe you will lose a lot of active community members like myself.

        I sincerely hope you will take this into consideration in making your final decision.

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