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You can't berate people into voting the way you want. That is the lesson the DNC needs to learn if they actually want to win.
Social media trolls could do to realize that too.
Yeah. Obviously not all of America voted, and many of Biden's voters didn't show up for Harris. But of those who did vote, Trump fucking won. Trump didn't get more votes this time, Democrats got less. Maybe they could learn a lesson about actually caring or even fucking pretending to care about people struggling to get by.
'why oh why couldn't we be as humble as the trump voters!?'
You're pretty god damned awful if you can't clear that hurdle.
agreed, so maybe its the citizens and not the DNC...
no its the democrats who are the problem (skinner meme)
I'm sure they'll start voting your way if you just yell at us some more. That's sure to do it.
maybe if we grab them by the pussy then? will that work? maybe if we say we'll ban an entire religion, will that work?
gosh so hard for democrats these days
Perhaps more nothing will do it. Sure, they've been doing that for 45 years, but maybe it just wasn't enough nothing.
yeah, hows that trickle down economy working, are you feeling it on your face yet or just your hair?
We wouldn't have to deal with that if the democratic party cared to try at any point.
I think it's a little disingenuous to describe the mood as "berating people into voting the way you want".
The US, the leader of the free world, is now a fascist dictatorship.
I'm very frustrated, worried, and angry. When discussing it with people who did not take action to avoid this outcome, it's very difficult for that frustration not to leak out.
Harris made it a performative point to tell her anti-genocide constituency to go fuck themselves at every campaign stop because by god she was going to continue arming a genocide and you're gonna fucking like it, just like her friends from the GWB administration and Congress do.
Hyperbole.
They literally did that though. See the Obamas shitting on black people who dont immediately have the impulse to vote for kamala.
I didn't see that myself but I'll take your word for it.
Personally I wouldn't know how else to react to a black person who wasn't planning to vote for Kamala.
Barrack accused men of being afraid to vote for a woman, which undermines their actual reasons for being undecided or non-voters. Its also insulting to think all black people should automatically vote for a black person.
Did "Barrack accuse men" or did he address the hesitancy amongst some men?
I agree that it would be insulting to think Black people should vote for a Black person, but I would think a Black person not doing everything within their control to avoid a Trump presidency is reprehensible.
Well I'm sure its a matter of perspective, for example I'm sure Barack doesnt see himself as a war criminal.
People throw this terminology around too lightly. If you truly lived in a fascist dictatorship you wouldn't say a word about it as you and those around you would be taken off at gunpoint never to be seen again. Either deleted or placed in some labor camp until you expired.
That's subjective.
Really? Name an actual fascist dictatorship where that is not the case.
The term fascist dictatorship is subjective. I'm not going to have a silly argument about what it means to you and how that differs from what it means to me.
As I recall, there were fuck-tons of blowhard tankie trolls berating everyone and accusing anyone voting democrat of being “gEnoCiDe sUpPoRtErS” and that everyone should either vote for dipshit unknown, untested, 3rd party clowns, or not vote at all.
So… I took a look around and yeah… there’s no high road for you here.
I don't know why you went out of your way to use the mocking "gEnoCiDe sUpPoRtErS" while, when, an actual genocide was being committed. You can disagree with the strategy of not voting for genocide supporters in elections, and there may even be compelling reasons when the alternative is trump, but mocking the people who prioritise not supporting genocide isn't a very high moral ground in my opinion.
More than attempting for third parties to win, the whole "conditioning the vote on an end to genocide" was attempted at forcing the democrat administration to end the genocide under threat of losing the elections, not "let's make sure that X third person gets elected". The democratic party was clear: we will not compromise in our support of genocide even if it costs us the elections. So they lost.
I mock it because before the genocide in Gaza, there was another genocide that NONE of you gave a shit about. Also, before the conflict in Palestine, NONE of you cared to know that there was shit going on over there for decades. I’d even go so far as to wager that most of you couldn’t have pointed to Palestine on a map prior to last October- and some of you probably STILL can’t.
So, forgive me for recognizing crocodiles tears when I see them. Because I’m not buying the bullshit. You for sold on a propaganda campaign.
I mock it because before the genocide in Gaza, there was another genocide that NONE of you gave a shit about.
Care to elaborate?
Is even go so far as to wager that most of you couldn’t have pointed to Palestine on a map prior to last October
Even if you were right, what's the point of that argument? "Increased sensibility to genocide as a consequence of people being able to learn from it from non-US-controlled outlets and social media because of the new availability of smartphones all over the world" negates being able to care about genocide? People 10 years ago couldn't open their smartphones and see live footage of children being bombed to death by Israel, and being able to see that despite the mass media apparatus in the US being entirely pro-Israel is a new thing. Surely more people finding out about the genocide isn't a bad thing?
Care to elaborate?
The fact that you even had to ask illustrates my point.
Surely more people finding out about the genocide isn't a bad thing?
Finding out about genocide, and using as leverage in an election where the collapse of democracy is on the table are not even remotely similar.
Again. Most of you didn’t give two shits about what was happening over there- and then suddenly you all cared so much that it was worth sacrificing your own country to save another that, as mentioned- most of you hardly gave a shit that it even existed a year ago.
Shameful and pathetic.
The fact that you even had to ask illustrates my point
There is more than one ongoing genocide, it's just that the one in Palestine is the one the US is most obviously funding and supporting, which makes it relevant to USian politics.
Finding out about genocide, and using as leverage in an election where the collapse of democracy is on the table are not even remotely similar.
Finding out about genocide and being able to tell your representatives that you won't vote them if they go on genociding people because that doesn't represent you, seems pretty coherent and moral to me.
suddenly you all cared so much that it was worth sacrificing your own country
I'm not USian btw, I'm not sacrificing my own country. Arguably the ones sacrificing the country are the ones putting only unelectable candidates who run a campaign of genocide against literal fascists. If the Trump administration was so patently fascist and the Democrats, with full presidential power (and immunity as proven by Trump), did nothing to stop them, the fault is every bit as much in the Democrat camp as in the Republican.
Refuse to act against fascists while in government -> run a campaign on genocide and the "most lethal armed forces in the world" with a non-electable candidate changed 3 months before the election -> lose elections to fascists -> blame the voters
If you’re not from here, then you’re not who I’m talking about and are just here to play contrarian.
I don’t entertain contrarians.
I fucking wish US politics didn't affect the rest of the world and they didn't take up 99% of the discourse online, but sadly that's the state of affairs, go to a general purpose instance like lemm.ee or like reddthat.com, browse by all federated instances, and tell me how many of the posts are about US politics.
Ending conversations with people because they're not from your country, when your country projects its power and its politics outwards overwhelmingly, isn't productive
I’m ending the conversation because my entire point is about VOTERS. you’re not a fucking voter.
Take your contrarian bullshit elsewhere.
It's not contrarianism. If the best argument for voting Democrat was "they're not Donald Trump" then they fucked up as a political party running a presidential campaign. Blame your horribly shitty Democratic party for being unelectable, not the people who weren't convinced they should support them.
The Democrats made a conscious, politically-motivated choice to pretend that Americans are not financially suffering to any significant degree (patently absurd), to parade around billionaires and buddy up with a Cheney of all people, to ooh rah about guns, the border, and the military, and to silence and shut out the voices of victims of genocide and their supporters while praising and platforming people who represent those committing said genocide. Gee, I wonder why they lost??? It's a total mystery.
The Democrats designed their campaign around reaching out to right wing voters, most of whom were always going to vote Republican because they always vote Republican, no matter whose name is on the card, and basically just told the left to go fuck themselves but to vote for them anyways.
The Democrats are a joke and they have nobody to blame for their loss but themselves. But that's not what Dem aligned mainstream media tells you, right? No, according to them you can never blame the rich and powerful people who failed to gain the support they needed to win. No it's always the fault of other, regular people. Especially if they're on the LEFT!!! No don't blame the rich and powerful! Never blame the rich and powerful! Just blame the people screaming for a political party to actually represent them.
Hilarious. Needed the laugh. Appreciated!
You ARE the contrarian. All the time.
And you insisted that they had no value and weren't worth listening to anyway so fuck em
Well, at least we know now that you’re capable of being correct about some things on occasion- however rare that occasion might be. So… at least you have that going for you.
"Untested" reads like a major endorsement compared to establishment Dems.
I’m not surprised you don’t know what it means
This is correct, the right is already blinded by anger; telling them how stupid they are only makes them dig the hole deeper. If people want to change the way those people vote the only solution is redirecting their anger.
The entire dnc seems to be blind or dumb with their approach in the last 3 elections. It's all algorithmic, the Dems appeal to intellectuals but their message is too old school to get those uneducated voters who cling to a single issue to even listen. Get fucking angry, show some humanity, entertain, drive views, algorithm pushes your content, you brainwash the idiots instead of letting your opposition. Sure it's grimy, but it's better than spreading your cheeks and saying "they wouldn't because of decorum!"
Get fucking angry, show some humanity, entertain, drive views, algorithm pushes your content, you brainwash the idiots instead of letting your opposition.
i dont necessarily agree with this, it's going to make things worse, sure abuse the environment while you can, the kamala campaign literally did that, and it worked great. It just didn't provide turnout.