Isn't it kinda weird that third parties only make an effort every 4 years?
Isn't it kinda weird that third parties only make an effort every 4 years?
You'd think midterms would be a great time to get your name out there and run high profile candidates to win House districts led by charlatans...
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I would not be surprised if a lot of money was funneled into third party campaigns during general elections by PACs of the two main parties as a spoiler strategy. I would be shocked if you tracked campaign contributions to the Green party and to Jill Stein in particular, and didn't find that most of it came from some Republican PAC. If Jill can siphon any votes from Biden, all the better for the Trump campaign.
The Democrats probably do it, too, except Republicans locked out dissent with the "Thou Shalt Not Defy Our (current) God, or we'll destroy your local race with vengeance next chance we get" tactic, and it works. Many Conservatives may disagree with Trump, but they're all terrified little bitches of standing up to him because they'll get dumped on an lose their jobs if they do. So there's fewer spoilers for Democrats to fund.
But I'd be real money that most of Stein's financing comes from conservative PACs, and that's why you only see her pop up out of here gopher hole once every 4 years.
Stein and West from Biden, Oliver from Trump, and RFK Jr from both.
There was just an article I saw today about Republicans helping Cornel West's campaign in Arizona
I would be shocked if you tracked campaign contributions to the Green party and to Jill Stein in particular, and didn't find that most of it came from some Republican PAC.
A lot of Russian money, too.
Maybe. I'm not that suspicious, and I think even Jill would balk at that if she knew.
I don't believe she's intentionally trying to be a spoiler, or is immoral. I do think she must be fantastically naïve if she thinks she's doing anything other than helping Trump.
She dined with Russian oligarchs at an RT party, so I don't think she'd really balk at it.
I mean the woman who supposedly paid her own way to go to a celebration of a Russian propaganda news station gala, to promote "peace" where she got to meet Putin and afterwards bragged/complained about how she only gets air time over there?
OK. Wow, I didn't know. I don't really track her.
That's unfortunate; I guess there aren't really any strong moral leaders, after all.
Generally speaking, there's very few- if any- moral people that can stay successful in politics. Bernie. maybe AOC. But I wouldn't be shocked to find they have a few skeletons, too.
You can track green party campaign contributions via the federal election commission. You don't need to incorrectly speculate. Jill Stein isn't getting republican money; in fact she just qualified for federal matching funds from individual donors.
Are you aware of just how much money is hidden behind shell PACs? I'm speculating because I don't have the resources to track down who's behind who; who's behind who on every contribution.
Individual contributions are safe, and it's good for her that enough individual donors she qualified for matching funds. I mean, it's a pretty low bar; $5,000 in (each of) 20 states, but, yeah, it's good for her. It's enough to run how many national ads, do you think? It's nothing compared to the millions being spent by the other parties, and - you did make a good suggestion. I should go and see just where her contributions are coming from.
I'm not an investigative journalist, and my interest in this is so low even posting comments on Lemmy is taxing my patience. But I will say: better statisticians than myself have said that Ralph Nader had a significant spoiler effect on Al Gore; Ralph Nader gave the presidency to Bush. I contributed, because I was young, ignorant, and I hated Tipper Gore; and I voted for Nader.
Nader never had a chance; he didn't come remotely close to being elected. By voting for Nader, I was helping Bush.
Bernie helped sink Hillary; his lukewarm endorsement, and the vitriolic intrangency of his base, tipped the scales. If the Bernie Bros had all voted for Hillary, history would be much different. We wouldn't have an activist, right-wing supreme court - the single biggest damage Trump caused in his term.
As long as the US uses the Electoral College and First-Past-the-Post voting, this is the reality. Idealism will not fix it: voting for third parties won't fix it. No third party will win even a single state, much less the election. And while I try to have patience with idealists, I don't think the world can afford to faff about with people like Jill Stein. The world can't afford to have younger people learn the hard lesson I did. Votes count, but only votes for major parties. Other voters may as well stay home for all the harm they'll do.
Jill can't siphon votes from Joe, because the votes dont belong to Joe: they belong to voters, and it is up to politicians to earn votes.
Well, by your post history, you're merely an antagonistic troll, but: you're wrong.
calling me names doesn't change whether what I said is true. what I said is true. your article at no point gives ownership of the votes to anybody but the voters.
So forget about 3rd parties, let's all endorse the Democratic candidate who will, among other things, tariff EVs—and protect the historically pro-EV Big Three (/s)—and get more Gazans murdered with costly war munitions.
Who knows, they might change within a few elections.
Yup. And in the meantime, work to support the change to government that's needed to allow third parties a chance. Support Approval Voting, or Ranked Choice Voting, or whatever is being most successful at your local level. Lobby your representatives to eliminate the electoral college. Support NPVIC, especially if you live in a state that hasn't yet signed on.
You said forget third parties. OK. Trump wants a 10% tariff across the board on all imports. He's said he thinks the Israelis agent going far enough, and should exterminate the Palestinians. He's already cost women choice over their own bodies.
So, yeah. Work for initiatives that will allow real change; and in the meantime, swallow your gorge and vote for the lesser of two evils, because that's the only kind of vote that counts.
Yup. And in the meantime, work to support the change to government that’s needed to allow third parties a chance.
those parties that spoil votes for the Democrats—the only practical party—the one we must all support lest Trump, Dubya, or whoever, wins.
Support Approval Voting, or Ranked Choice Voting, or whatever is being most successful at your local level.
and in exchange you support Democrat policies and the war on Gazans.
Lobby your representatives to eliminate the electoral college
You'll need a constitutional amendment for that, and the lower-population states will oppose that if the alternative to the Electoral College is merely a nation-wide popular vote.
What's next? Get rid of the Senate?
You said forget third parties. OK. Trump wants a 10% tariff across the board on all imports.
Presumably some environmentalists dislike Biden's 100% tariff on EVs less than Trump's 10% on EVs—not as bad—and might like a 10% tariff on cars that run on fossil fuels. A 10% tariff on smart phones might encourage domestic manufacturing, which is in areas that's more regulated, as well as reuse old ones.
With all this money supposedly coming in from tariffs, and offsetting income taxes, hopefully people will demand that he reduce the latter and/or or increase spending (without increasing debts).
Meanwhile, with those outside the US getting less US money—because they can't sell as much to Americans, because of the tariffs—exports will fall as imports will.
It's ebb and flow, Mr. Beal: a balance.
He’s said he thinks the Israelis agent going far enough, and should exterminate the Palestinians.
How worse has the GOP been on Israel compared to the Democrats?
James Baker, apparently 13th of June 1990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADcALMO5wf4
0:45
He’s already cost women choice over their own bodies.
If Texans who were/are female and/or progressive voted Green Party instead of for Biden or Obama, their situation wouldn't be much worse.
Though I tend to be pro-choice, I don't think abortion is that big an issue either way.
Almost half of all Texans won't get pregnant because they are men.
perhaps 1/4th of Texan women are sterile and/or post-menopausal.
perhaps 10% are pre-menstral.
Most of the rest take contraceptives and/or engage in non-procreative sex.
Relatively few rapes lead to pregnancy.
Abortion isn't totally banned and it's legal in New Mexico.
Besides, a disproportionate number of the children born who'd otherwise be aborted will be racial minorities, Hispanics, and poor whites, and half will be women, and notwithstanding many leftists' hyperventilation, I figure a majority of these very young Texans will grow up to be Democrats.
So, yeah. Work for initiatives that will allow real change; and in the meantime, swallow your gorge and vote for the lesser of two evils, because that’s the only kind of vote that counts.
The lesser of 2 evils is still evil: vote your heart and your conscience (or someone far more close to it).
Besides, a second Trump Presidency might be what Americans need to smarten them up.