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For a âlegalâ emulator making money they sure didnât put up a fight, I wonder why the other emulators are doing so and without the money that yuzu illegally pulled in? Maybe because yuzu wasnât what you thoughtâŚ?
You literally say they did shit wrong, then in the same breath defend them. This is hilarious. For someone who apparently did nothing wrong, they rolled over hella fast, that doesnât make you question what they actually didâŚ? Hereâs the clue, the lawyers told them they were fucked, settle before discovery or youâre worse than screwed. Thereâs no way to prove any of this obviously, but itâs the only scenario that makes a shred of sense given the circumstances.
For someone who apparently did nothing wrong, they rolled over hella fast
So Yuzu, at it's peak. Was making 45k a month from patreon donations. That's about 500k a year if that rate would sustain... In reality they were averaging 15-20k a month closer to 200k a year. Then a MASSIVE mega-corp hits you with legal action amounting to 2.4 billion or 12 YEARS of income... Do you put up a fight? How much of a fight can you put up as a small development team working on an emulator?
How many years do you fight the mega-corp with virtually unlimited money? How much does all those lawyers fees tally up to?
Of course they rolled over. EVEN IF THEY'RE RIGHT, it's going to be years and years of lawyers. It's going to be hundreds of thousands of dollars of money spent to defend this. Multiple years of wasted income.
If I was a billionaire and came to your house and made a claim to something under threat of burying you legally. What would your response be? How much could you resist before you have to settle and walk away from it? This happens literally ALL the time. Very few people win.
Yuzu is/was woefully unequipped to handle the situation. They "caved" so quickly because they knew they couldn't win the fight regardless. They'd exhaust all their income and time. The project would get no further development anyway. So rather than handing over all their assets, money, time, and future income... They just handed over all their assets and current money and the devs can move on to other projects.
This is obvious and normal. You're just obtuse.
You literally say they did shit wrong
No. I said the emulator was and is legal. You're the one using "illegal" like you're trying to pass the bar. Actions the Yuzu devs took show poor intent. The program itself was perfectly fine. Yuzu accepting donations isn't illegal either by the way.
Of course they rolled over. EVEN IF THEY'RE RIGHT, it's going to be years and years of lawyers. It's going to be hundreds of thousands of dollars of money spent to defend this. Multiple years of wasted income.
And yet others with no income do fight and do win, so what kind of point do you think thatâs making hereâŚ? Those donât have the money to waste, and they fight, and win, since they did it right.
Some people will do it out of honor/integrity. Other's don't want the hassle. You're reading into shit way too far. I completely understand why this project wants to fold under nintendo.
I own an LLC, my LLC brings in roughly 160-180k a year and I pay myself only about 80k a year. If a multi-billion dollar company tried to nail me for something that I can't see the end of, I'd likely just fold the company and walk away to do something more worth my time.
Nothing about this is evidence that they are what you claim they are. You're reading WAY too much into such an easy to explain decision.
If a multi-billion dollar company tried to nail me for something that I can't see the end of, I'd likely just fold the company and walk away to do something more worth my time.
They are asking for 10 years of you companyâs back pay. You would be a fool to not atleast pursue legal advice and attempt to fight it in court. You just handed them 1,600k for nothing, while only have had made 800k in that time.
And if you couldnât plan and account for potential (very realistic) legal fees, you kinda donât deserve to be in business. Use 5k a year to get yourself a lawyer and change your process so you arenât illegal.
Did you really think that would turn this into your favour? Lmfao. The only reason to walk away, is because you were caught doing something wrong and couldnât win. So yuzu creators had no morals, and were only in it for the money? Thatâs really the point you want to make here? Sounds like you operate borderline illegally if thatâs your mindset here.
You just handed them 800k for nothing.
They didn't necessarily hand them anything. If I get sued like I explained in my previous post for my LLC...
I only have 30k in my company's account at this point. I turn off the patreon... I walk away from the company. Nintendo would only get the 30k even though the judgement was for 2.4 billion.
And if you couldnât plan and account for potential (very realistic) legal fees, you kinda donât deserve to be in business. Use 5k a year to get yourself a lawyer and change your process so you arenât illegal.
Ahahahah. Yeah you're a moron. Thanks for confirming it. 5k a year wouldn't even be close to the cost for a legal battle against Nintendo.
Edit: You edited your post. There's PLENTY of reasons to walk away. You're just being obtuse because of some "moral" dilemma you believe exists that doesn't. If they were actively developing their software, and actively spending their money they're donated via patreon/other income streams... They might only have like 10k in the bank (or less). And walking away makes a BOATLOAD of sense at that point. Pay a lawyer 200k+ for a multiyear lawsuit and maybe not win... or lose the application (open source... haha what a "loss") and lose 10k.... It's a nonissue, it's an OBVIOUS answer.
Oh my sweet summer child, a LLC only protects you so much, look what happened to Gary Bowser, you would have to claim bankruptcy as well, your life is gone for years.
Thats called preventative lawyers, you use that BEFORE Nintendo sends their dogs, and you give them the paper work youâve already paid for and have and let them yell in courts.
And what LLC was Gary bowser operating under?
And no. If your llc dies you don't have to personally claim bankruptcy. You have now said several things that are completely and utterly false. Continuing this conversation with you will never be fruitful if your going to continue to lie about basic facts.
Why do you think LLCs exist if you have to personally file for bankruptcy?
Was the business he worked for not an LLC�
https://www.pjlesq.com/amp/does-an-llc-always-protect-against-personal-liability
You should seriously read up on what an llc actually protects you from, because your lack of knowledge could put you in a seriously disastrous scenario you thought you were protected from.
Who the helm thinks a LLC protects them from everythingâŚ? The first term is literally LIMITEDâŚâŚ its not a full liability company lmfao.
Main relevant bit for you
In general, the tort participation theory is a legal principle that holds an owner of a company liable for the company's torts (wrongful acts). This means that even if you are not the one who committed the tort, you can be held liable as an owner of the company.
Not protected from illegal actions⌠huhâŚ. The exact scenario you just presented⌠huh⌠look at that..
Read your own link please.
Don't ever talk again on the internet until you can actually recite the differences. You are acting like an LLC is a sole proprietorship. And you're wholly wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.
There's only 2 cases where you will personally be liable in an LLC...
- Piercing the Corporate Veil, you treat the LLC as your personal sole proprietorship.
- Tort Participation Theory.
#2 could in "theory" be applicable here. But luckily we already know that emulators are wholesale safe under the law. You should already know this since it's been in response to your comments a few times now. DMCA clause 107. Since pulling your own keys off a device is categorically safe and even downloading the keys is safe... (Only distribution is prohibited by DMCA) Then Yuzu did nothing wrong. But since you completely missed these points I'm going to assume you didn't even read your own damn source.
But I suppose you already know this shit and are just trolling at this point. Since you can't answer a single question that anyone actually asks you. Even the most basic shit of "And what LLC was Gary bowser operating under?" BTW the next question after you answered that would have been "What were the charges that actually got him in trouble". At that point you would have realized that it had nothing to do with LLC operations, emulation, or anything nearly close to this topic. Mod chips != emulation. Nothing close to emulating a console which is completely legal per Sony Computer Entertainment America v. Bleem!
Who the helm thinks a LLC protects them from everythingâŚ? The first term is literally LIMITEDâŚâŚ its not a full liability company lmfao.
Wow... What an incredible showing of intelligence. Note that both of the above items (piercing the corporate veil and Tort participation) that can ruin your LLC ALSO HAPPEN IN "full liability company" (doesn't exist). What nonsense.
Edit: Also would like to point out the fact that you've still not answered ANY questions posed. You just throw out additional unrelated shit everytime someone shows you that you're wrong. It's tiring.
Not to mention :
Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc. v. Cyberhead (2002)
Bleem, LLC v. Sony (2001)
Bleem, LLC v. Sony Computer Entertainment America, Inc. (2000)
Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc. vs. Connectix Corporation (2000)
Sega Enterprises Ltd. v. Accolade, Inc. (1992)
Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc. (1992)
Atari Games Corp. v. Nintendo of America Inc. (1992)I never said a full liability company existed, I was using that to show how stupid your asinine claim was that you canât be held liable in an LLC, I see from your last comment you atleast kind of understand it, even though you wonât admit you were wrong originally. For some strange reason⌠why are you pretending you didnât even know you could be liable as an LLC a comment agoâŚ?
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And no. If your llc dies you don't have to personally claim bankruptcy.
As explained, there is situations, despite this asinine claim. Lmfao. If you company gets taking for 2.4 bil, how do you expect to pay that if you make 80k a yearâŚ? If you think I was saying you would always be liable, well thatâs entirely on your ineptness that youâve clearly shown this entire exchange.
You canât seriously be this inept can you? LLC is this magic thing that protects you from ALL liability⌠rightâŚ. Lmfao.