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This is like watching a bunch of people with Stockholm Syndrom trying to convince each other than one of the people keeping them imprisioned is a good guy and it's the other that's a bad guy.
There is no solution to the problems of the US via the traditional political parties, only via civil society movements and even those given the almost-dictatorship-level of civil society surveillance in the US, are under surveillance and are often subverted.
And everyone who votes for Biden agrees with you. We all also understand that now is not the fucking time
It never is the "fucking time"!
This is why every election cycle as the Republicans get ever more repugnant, the Democrats follow them since all they need to be is a tiny bit less bad - or at least that's what they believe and all the Stockholm Syndrom victims preaching "we have no other choice" keep on confirming their belief every 4 years.
That's how you ended up with a choice between two genocide supporters - because it has never been the "fucking time" for the last 3 decades so the Democracts felt confident to not give a rats arse about their electorate, only big donors and those who give gold-plated non-executive board memberships and million-dollar fees in the speech circuit to "friendly" politicians.
MLK addressed 'a convenient time' in a Letter from a Birmingham Jail. James Baldwin asked in 1989 how much time do they want for their progress.
Its never the right time, which keeps the duopoly in power and the working class subjugated.
Yup. I agree. Let's talk about this next year though and I'll back you fully
There will be some other excuse for why it isn't the time.
Like what?
Too soon after the election. To close to the next one. We just need 8 more decades of running for dogcatcher. We need to have ranked choice voting first. Biden obliquely hinted about thinking about doing something on a hot mic, so we need to give him a chance.
There is always an excuse. There will always be an excuse.
So you understand the sitting president wants this. Do you realize he also can't do everything he wants because he HAS to get reelected or everything goes to shit?
Give him 4 more years and a lot more will get done
There is never a fucking time.
The day after Biden is inaugurated is a good time to start
To start what? Being ignored?
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You were complaining about being ignored. How would it just start then?
You're right. Being ignored will continue unabated, not start.
The important part is that the people are ignored forever.
So instead of trying to come together for the better of everybody you're just going to whine the whole time? I already said I will 100% be on your side after this battle I'm in, yet you won't put down your arms.
Fun fact: I've lived in Germany. I've seen ranked voting first hand and fully agree with it. I am on your side. Just that battle is not the battle worth fighting right now. Get the Non-dictator-wannabe in office first right now. That's key
Fine, let's run with this analogy:
This is like watching a bunch of people with Stockholm Syndrom trying to convince each other than one of the people keeping them imprisioned is a good guy and it’s the other that’s a bad guy.
We're all in prison, both dudes will keep us there. One dude wants to murder your gay cell mate and give smaller cells to Hispanic prisoners. Voting, not voting, neither will win you your freedom. Your vote might make your friend's life easier.
There is no solution to the problems of the US via the traditional political parties, only via civil society movements and even those given the almost-dictatorship-level of civil society surveillance in the US, are under surveillance and are often subverted.
Which political party is restricting the speech of LGBTQ+ people right now? Which party wants to put them all on a list? Which party is visibly anti-labor instead of just pretending not to be?
If you want change, fight for it. If Trump wins you activate hard mode.
If Trump wins you activate hard mode.
Good, thats when democrats come back from brunch and start paying attention to what the WH is doing.
There will be so much damage done before the dems get their shit together, if they ever do. Trump (or whoever takes over after him when he dies of stroke/heart attack) may not let us have a normal 2028 election.
As far as damage, check out “project 2025” if you don’t believe me. Many parts of federal government will be hogtied at best, and that includes ones that people like, like the EPA. I, for one, like environmental protections.
Even if the damage stops after one term, you can’t unfuck the thanksgiving turkey.
Edit: by the way, I’m no democrat, I just recognize we’re playing with fire here.
Project 2025 is the 50 year accumulation of 'lesser evil' voting. Democrats refusing to hold their own politicians accountable and lashing out at everyone trying to, has allowed evil to grow so large our very government has become authoritarian. The marginalized have had versions of P2025 all their lives, some communities for decades, others for centuries. While dems claimed to have their concerns in mind, they kept electing their oppressor. It only scares white liberals now because its finally something that will impact them directly. THIS is what leftists have been warning liberals about for years, but their only interest was protecting the status quo, a status quo that protected them and the privilege it granted. For right now they will oppose it, but when it gets rebranded as something positive in a few years and offered up by a democrat they will laud it as progress.
Project 2025 is the 50 year accumulation of ‘lesser evil’ voting.
Agree. But I must point out, 'lesser evil' voting is a natural consequence of the way our voting system works. I only see one path forward: our voting system must be changed to some sort of ranked-choice system. Personally I think trying to convince fascists (republicans) of this fact is pretty impossible, less so for democrats. I could be wrong here.
All that is irrelevant I guess. No matter which party wins, both are totally open to listening to leftist policies. If Trump does something obviously bad we all saw coming, I won't need to feel bad if I don't vote. Even if it was something he said he was going to do. I mean, I guess Biden could also do something bad, it's pretty likely, but I haven't found his project 2025 manifesto yet. Regardless, everything will suck and people will look around and go, "Wow, I guess all those people who didn't vote, they we right! They all were rejecting the two-party system in unison. They all think the same way, and they express that through not voting."
Then we'll all join hands and immediately form a socialist utopia.
It only scares white liberals now because its finally something that will impact them directly.
You're right but you're going to make someone whine very loudly typing that out.
For right now they will oppose it, but when it gets rebranded as something positive in a few years and offered up by a democrat they will laud it as progress.
I would totally let a democrat run my socialist utopia, as long as they ran it as a socialist utopia (they are not capable of doing this, they would no longer be dems). They can call it New Dems, I don't care, I want healthcare, basic guaranteed standards of living, more rights at work, etc etc.