Gaza Is Set To Torpedo Joe Biden's Claim To A Human Rights Legacy
Gaza Is Set To Torpedo Joe Biden's Claim To A Human Rights Legacy
The president promised he would champion values like universal rights and the dignity of every person. Then the Israel-Hamas war began.
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Why would the Democrats themselves label him genocide Joe?
Because we are sick of him aiding the commission of genocide?
Anyone calling this situation a genocide is ignorant.
West Bank is arguably a slow moving Genocide. Gaza was left alone for the most part until militants / terrorists attacked from Gaza.
This here is just your standard military operation. Yeah, it's bloody and deadly. That's not what a genocide is. Even a massive bombing campaign (ex: Tokyo firebombs or Hiroshima) are not genocides.
A genocide is an attack on the people in an attempt to make a culture extinct. Trail of Tears, Holocaust, etc. Etc. Are genocides. Intent matters, meaning matters.
Ie: Death to Israel is a literal genocidal chant. No one is calling for death to Palestine. This entire situation is so backwards is laughable.
Then why is Israel saying they intend to keep Gaza?
What else do you call cutting off people’s power, food, and water?
What else do you call telling people that an area is a safe zone and then bombing it anyway?
What do you call mass indiscriminate bombings?
But don’t worry, they will slow walk it enough that people like you can deny it until they are already gone and then people like you will tell us “Well, that’s all in the past, we should just forgive them now and move on.”
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Conquest is not genocide. Conquest is conquest.
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Israel controls food, water and electricity because Gaza is so poor they don't have their own food, water or electricity. When a poor pseudo-State attacks literally the country providing them food / water and electricity, we call that 'Gaza/Hamas being a dumbass'. Israel is under no circumstance should be forced into giving aid to the people who declared war upon them.
Maybe next time, before killing thousands of Israel's, the leaders of Gaza can try I dunno, establishing a food/fuel/electricity deal with Egypt first?
Oh that's right, Hamas doesn't give a shit about the people so they're actually stealing the food and fuel for themselves. Last time Israel was building pipes for water for Gaza, Hamas literally dug up the pipes and turned them into rockets. Israel literally cannot give these people any aid as long as Hamas is in power, because all aid becomes perverted into weapons by Hamas. So what the fuck is Israel supposed to do about that?
- Mass indiscriminate bombings is mass indiscriminate bombings. Ya know, like Tokyo Firebombs or what we did in Vietnam. There's nothing genocidal about that, it's 'just' war.
Israel has genocidal tendencies in the West Bank so yes, we need to keep our eyes out. But what you see here isn't genocide. It's just war, the war that Hamas wanted and still wants to happen.
Genocide is when you try to kill off a culture or entire group of people. All these bombs won't do that actually. Tokyo recovered for example and I promise you far more people and civilians died in the Tokyo Firebombing campaign.
Is Israel brutal? Yes. But this isn't new news at all. But calling this a genocide is just counterproductive and only demonstrates your sides ignorance to world matters.
You can hide behind whatever words you want to try to make you feel better.
I may not be able to stop it, but to my dying day I will do my best to make sure never to support israel .
I will encourage everyone I know to do the same.
I will make sure that future generations see that israel is no longer deserving of our help, only our disdain for their killing of innocents.
For their mockery of innocent children dying in pain, pouring out water just to taunt people who are without, and calling them animals, and if the “nation” of israel falls, well I guess I’ll have a coke.
and if the “nation” of israel falls
Now THAT is closer to genocidal thoughts and tendencies. Thanks for providing the example.
Good job me. It didn't even take me more than a couple of posts to get you to start calling for Israeli genocide nonironically.
The irony here is strong, but it is also what I expected of you. Well, I thought it take at least a few more posts, not this quickly.
No one wants the Gaza civilians to suffer. The enemy here is Hamas, who absolutely do not represent Gaza in general. With luck, we can resurrect the PLO or something and get them good leaders (or at least better leaders than Hamas) who will actually look out for the Gaza civilians.
But for now, Hamas needs to go. Israel is certainly a brutal people so we can't expect Israel to come up with a proper peace plan. But the dismantling of Hamas is a step forward we all should be looking forward to.
they aren't calling for a genocide. you're pearl-clutching
So I should just ignore the Death to Israel and "From the river to the Sea" means what, exactly?
The issue at hand here is that Hamas absolutely wishes to genocide Israel. It's literally the explicit purpose of Hamas.
Israel feeling a bit touchy about that is natural. We need to hold Israel back from actually genociding the people here, but let's not actually pretend that anything aside from Israel's military is physically protecting them from this problem.
So it's full irony to claim Israel is genocide Gaza when it's instead Hamas who is trying to genocide Israel.
you can oppose the existence of a state without opposing the existence of the people ruled by that state.
I know y'all Liberals hate ethno-states and all, but good luck setting up a liberal democracy in that region lol.
Israel doesn't particularly care for the Palestinians and that is definitely a problem. But letting the other regional powers (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Palestine, Syrians) take over would cause a complete slaughter of Israelis and Jewish people immediately. I guarantee it.
Anyone who disagrees with me is hugely ignorant of the history of that region.
What makes this whole situation so problematic is that Genocide is normal in that region. Kurds we're probably going to be wiped out if it weren't for our involvement in Iraq for example.
Based on our best knowledge of the people who live there, Israel is likely the best leaders of that plot of land.
Not Bibi though. Hopefully Israel can get a better minister. But they are the closest to democracy that we are gonna get there.
Hamas wasn't Bibi's enemy when he was directly funding them with trucks full of cash through Qatar.
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Because they don't actually know what Genocide is, and they're really bad at alliteration / word games.
In any case, it's not Democrats who do this, but far left Gen Z tiktokers who are seemingly too young to understand foreign policy.
We support Israel because they are an ally on the world stage, and are one of Israel's few allies. It is a bad idea to throw away our friendship to Israel especially after they were attacked.
But this friendship has costs. Israel always was rather militant. So if they get attacked, they disproportionally attack back. Furthermore, Hamas wants this to happen (Hamas still rejects ceasefires, calls to return hostages, and are raiding the aid packages to Palestinian civilians).
Welcome to the Middle East. This shit sucks.
When your friends are killing babies, maybe it’s time to quit being friends with them?
Radical idea, I know.
What do you call it when there are nine people are in table and a Nazi sit down and no one reacts?
10 Nazi’s
Never forget was supposed to mean stopping what happens not taking notes for your game plan.
Hamas is killing babies.
Israel is killing babies.
Now what?
Don't provide weapons to either of them?
Not even to the technologically superior one who has given us a lot of military support and is key to our foreign policy goals in the Middle East?
Let's say we abandon Israel. Who the fuck do we ally with in the Middle East? The anti-women Saudis who literally created the Wahhabi Islam that empowered Bin Laden? Iraq or Afghanistan? Iran hates us too.
Our alliance with Israel is out of larger scale necessity and long term friendship. For all of the faults of them (and yes, this war in Gaza is exceptionally brutal, though not genocidal), Israel has military power, military intelligence, and technology that we are borrowing.
Intel / Mobileye / etc.etc. are from Israel. Some of the most important technologies of our society are from Israel.
When both suck, but one is a good friend and has tech that we want, being friends with the powerful and technologically advanced is just a winning strategy.
The US should stop providing the US with military weapons based on their history of use in the middle east as well.
I agree.
The US just needs to get the fuck out of the Middle East.
All of our problems in the Middle East are because we keep interfering in the Middle East!
Yeah, good luck with that supposition, lol.
Houthis are literally ruining the Red Sea right now. So the adults are actually trying to solve problems right now.
You mean an organization that seems to primary exist as an opposition to those so-called "adults" meddling in the middle east? A lot of their other broad geopolitical strategies, like funding the Taliban, also has been a great success in the region. I'm sure they will do so much good for the region and won't do more to empower terrorist groups like Hamas for their own personal gain.
What's your solution to the Houthis attacking ships right now?
Tick tock, another container ship was attacked by the Houthis even today. Look up the "MSC United VIII". So please, engage me with your wisdom. Show me what will make peace and rainbows and butterflies and let trade continue unhampered in the Red Sea.
And until you give me an acceptable response, I'll place my trust in the giant guns we've got patrolling the seas, shooting down the Houthi's missiles, drones, and helicopters.
Do you hear yourself right now?
Let’s just let them play Wyatt Earp’s, wild revenge ride, because they have stuff we want.
More like the Gazan citizens and current leadership Hamas are literally calling for the genocide of Israel so I'm not so concerned about this level of violence that Israel is responding with.
But also the military alliance, technology, and intelligence they offer is unrivaled for the region.
So there's lots of reasons to ally with Israel
What is it about Gaza that has you fascinated so much to rush to their defense?
And Israel is currently engaged in a genocide against the Palestinian people, as evidenced by what is happening and Israeli officials saying that's their goal (Netanyahu, Gvir, Smotrich). So you're more worried about an alleged want for genocide than the actual genocide currently happening.
Please, give me the quote from the Israelis that proves that they're aiming for a genocide.
As far as I've seen, they've only stated to "take over the security of Gaza", which I've interpreted as simply conquest. The destruction of Hamas is certainly not considered a genocide any more than say, the destruction of the Nazis were as a political party (and was a wargoal of WW2).
One of those two parties has the power to end this conflict over night, and yet for decades they've done nothing but create more illegal settlements, and murder more Palestinian civilians.
One of those two parties has the power to end this conflict over night
Indeed. Egypt has proposed a peace plan and... Oh right. Hamas rejected it. Okay, well, if Hamas can't even accept a peace plan crafted by a majority-Muslim country like Egypt what the hell do you expect Israel to do?
Now how about this, you start talking about which countries should try to step in and negotiate the peace deal between Hamas and Israel, and how this peace can actually be crafted. We just tried the Egyptian approach (with help from Qatar) and that's floundering.
Or was there something in the Egyptian / Qatar peace plan that looked unfair for the Palestinians to you?
We treat them both the same?
But seriously, let’s just treat them both the same. Let’s let Israel’s ass cash. The checks its mouth is writing.
I bet we can change their name to Hummingbird real quick