Israel's military tells UN in Gaza: ask Hamas for fuel
Israel's military tells UN in Gaza: ask Hamas for fuel
Israel's military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.
Israel's military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.
The agency, known as UNRWA, posted its warning on social media on Tuesday. The Israel Defense Forces reposted it and said that Hamas militants have more than 500,000 litres of fuel in tanks inside besieged Gaza.
"Ask Hamas if you can have some," the IDF wrote.
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The irony of you saying that is palpable.
Israeli officials have gone on record to admit they provided quite a bit of support to Hamas in order to undercut more secular organizations. Here’s Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev:
“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”
Here’s another quote:
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.
There was even a moment in 1984 where the leader of Hamas was detained for caching weapons. What should’ve been a 12 year prison term in Israel turned into a slap on the wrist and confiscation of the weapons. Yet another example of Israel knowingly empowering an extremist group.
Obviously they’d support Hamas since Hamas opposed the Fatah accepting a two state solution and disliked their moderate status:
It emerged out of his Mujama al-Islamiya, which had been established in Gaza in 1973 as an Islamic charity involved with the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood.[21] Hamas became increasingly involved in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict by the late 1990s;[61] it opposed the Israel–PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition as well as the Oslo Accords, which saw Fatah renounce "the use of terrorism and other acts of violence" and recognize Israel in pursuit of a two-state solution.
And on the topic of Rabin, do you deny that Israeli right wing extremist Yigal Amir assassinated Rabin? Do you deny that politicians like Netanyahu contributed to the vitriol towards Rabin?
Another element in the incitement, however unwitting, was political. The fury of Netanyahu’s right wing Likud party knew no bounds. Footage shows Netanyahu speaking at a big rally on Oct. 5, 1995, a month before the assassination. As he speaks, chants rise from the crowd: “Rabin is a traitor,” “In blood and fire we will get rid of Rabin.” Posters were raised of Rabin in Nazi SS uniform. David Levy, a prominent member of Likud, left. Netanyahu carried on.
Netanyahu was also an ardent opponent of the Oslo Accords so when he took power in 96 he refused to continue meetings with the Fatah leader Arafat which resulted in the accord falling apart completely.
The absolute arrogance you have when accusing me of living in an alternate reality is mind blowing.
Israel funded Hamas the way the US funded Al Qaeda, and it exploded in their face the same way.
To suggest they intended to fund Hamas to sabotage the peace deals they wrote and pushed is fucking dumb.
The only reason you believe that is because you're selectively reading to confirm your prior beliefs.
You think it’s dumb because you’re treating the Israeli government as a monolith. The likud party was vehemently against those peace deals and Netanyahu is known to have refused further diplomacy with Arafat once he took power in 96. Why would they not pursue policy they explicitly advocate?
If you’re an extremist party that supports the militant settlers in the West Bank then Hamas is the perfect casus belli to keep pushing for the one state solution the most extreme Zionists want.
The only reason you’re denying historical facts is because you’re determined to defend your own position at all costs.
You haven’t responded to anything I’ve cited. Just a vague allusion to me being totally biased. Attempting to sidestep the actual points I’m raising is a sign of intellectually dishonesty.
I did respond to your claims
Israel funded Hamas the way the US funded Al Qaeda, and it exploded in their face the same way.
To suggest they intended to fund Hamas to sabotage the peace deals they wrote and pushed is fucking dumb.
You go afield a lot. Whether there is strife within Israel's right wing and whether right wing people are psychopaths in general, is neither here nor there.
Bringing up the US is a non sequitur.
As I already stated in my previous response (ironic considering your insistence that you are responding to my claims), Israel is not a monolith.
“To suggest they funded Hamas to sabotage peace deals they wrote…”
Who wrote those deals and who propped up Hamas? Do you think it was the same people? That’d be pretty idiotic. Again, the Israeli government is not a singular entity but a collection of politicians, each with their personal/collective ideologies.
It was Rabin’s moderate coalition and others that set up the accords and it was right wingers like Likud that propped up Hamas and scuttled the deal. Different people were involved with these events and I’ve made that pretty clear multiple times so cut the shit and stop being disingenuous.
Is that clear enough for you to understand?
You seem to think you're teaching me things, but really you're just getting into the weeds over meaningless, useless details to try to seem smart.
I am aware of everything you've written but it adds nothing to the actual discussion whatsoever.
it was right wingers like Likud that propped up Hamas and scuttled the deal
This is not a fact. This is a thing you made up and tucked into your rambling in the hopes it comes across as fact. You're implying intent where it does not exist.
Israel didn't have to play 5d chess if they wanted to just take Palestinian land. They could've just done it, whenever they wanted. These conspiracy theories are worthless in practice.
I haven’t made up anything. You just don’t want to accept the facts I’m sharing. Why else would you ignore the details to make character assassinations towards me?
Explain how Netanyahu and Likud actively opposing a two state solution during Oslo means their known support for Hamas had nothing to do with undercutting the contemporary peace talks. Couple that with the known fact that Netanyahu refused to meet with Arafat upon taking power. You’re being willfully naive and it’s sad.
Sure Netanyahu’s Israel could act like Russia and not care about pr but that’s not how you keep your allies closest. For all your condescension you are profoundly stupid and disingenuous when it comes to thinking about this. They play the same game of geopolitics as everyone else, you’re just too stubborn to consider it.
It's not a character assassination to suggest your bias is clouding your judgment.
For all your condescension you are profoundly stupid and disingenuous when it comes to thinking about this
Lmao
It is when you refuse to elaborate and act like you staying this makes it true in and of itself. I’ve laid out a line of reasoning and you’ve just smugly accused me of bias.
Laugh all you want but all you’re doing is proving me right about you with every response.
Your line of reasoning is flawed in ways I've already pointed out.
Laughing at your temper tantrum is not an endorsement.
This is not a fact. This is a thing you made up and tucked into your rambling in the hopes it comes across as fact. You’re implying intent where it does not exist.
Not that you seem to care about the facts, but read this.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Lmao I've read this.
It's also been linked like 6 times today so whatever podcast or thread you're all getting this from isn't really great.