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I've noticed something about anarchists that i find pretty funny: they'll praise marxist revolutions and revolutionaries AS LONG AS they dont actually succeed.

You'll see anarchists praising Rosa Luxemburg, who if they had actually read her writings -- they would see that she was very clearly one of the "authoritarian" socialists that they rail against so much.

You see them praise the Black Panthers, who were supported financially by the DPRK and aligned themselves with the Juche ideology of Kim Il Sung.

They even praise Thomas Sankara, who purged anarchists and arrested syndicalists.

If these people had succeeded, i have no doubt in my mind that anarchists would call them "tankies," they would call their experiments "capitalism with a red flag." And I also have no doubt in my mind that if the October Revolution, Chinese Revolution had been crushed, they would hail Lenin and Mao as proletarian heroes.

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  • I'm not arguing with 10 people at once, none of whom are interested in any actual discussion. Please tell me how because I'm an anarchist i don't read books and must be a racist lmao. Good bye 👋

    • The sectarianism is annoying (inshallah for Hexbear federation to bully the sectarians), but the narrative about MLs regularly teaming up with anarchists only to stab them in the back turns out to be bullshit when investigated.

      • Btw an anarchist from blahaj coming here and complaining about sectarianism is mighty rich when a 80% of entire lemmy modlog bans are people banned from there for being "tankie" - specifically interesting since their comments for which they are banned are not specified, that is, they haven't been banned for anything concrete.

        Also preempive fishing for a ban, lol, how old they even are?

        • I'm 26 years old. And I'm used to being banned from spaces like this. Honestly talking here at all is extremely depressing, I was legitimately hoping that I would be banned, so I could easily differentiate in the future leftist communities that will not spread misinformation about my political beliefs from ones that will.

          • Can you just spare yourself an utter embarrasment and block us or better yet, create an account on instance which have defederated from us if that's so important to you?

            that will not spread misinformation about my political beliefs from ones that will.

            That's incredibly hypocritical of you to say after what you wrote in this thread.

            • I have blocked this place, but i keep coming back for more lol. We're on a post spreading misinformation about my political beliefs 😂

              I'm also not embarrassed about anything I've said. I stand by what I've said, I just do not have the energy or the desire to argue with several people at the same time about it. This thread blew up pretty fast so, it got pretty quickly out of hand. And I'm just an impoverished trans woman by myself against an entire server of people rearing to have a go at telling me I'm stupid for being an anarchist.

              All in all id rather argue with people who pretend to care about my rights than conservatives who actively hate me

      • I'm not arguing with 10 people at once, none of whom are interested in any actual discussion. Please tell me how because I'm an anarchist i don't read books and must be a racist lmao. Good bye 👋

        • "NOOOO, LENIN JUST LET THESE SAILORS BREAK AWAY IN THE MOST STRATEGICALLY VALUBLE NAVAL LAND WHILE THERE'S CURRENTLY 13 FOREIGN NATIONS INVADING YOU. THEYRE MORE IDEOLOGICALLY PURE!!!!"

    • i dont want left unity. also, "misinformation?" you're telling me that no anarchists praise the black panthers? that no anarchist praises rosa luxemburg and sankara?

      • I'm not arguing with 10 people at once, none of whom are interested in any actual discussion. Please tell me how because I'm an anarchist i don't read books and must be a racist lmao. Good bye 👋

        • where are these 'anarchist territories' that are here today?

          • I'm not arguing with 10 people at once, none of whom are interested in any actual discussion. Please tell me how because I'm an anarchist i don't read books and must be a racist lmao. Good bye 👋

            • the zapatistas do not claim to be, nor have they ever claimed to be, anarchist.

              • I'm not arguing with 10 people at once, none of whom are interested in any actual discussion. Please tell me how because I'm an anarchist i don't read books and must be a racist lmao. Good bye 👋

                • Cracker take: "these native people don't get to choose what they are. I do"

                • they do have a state, though.

                  and they use this state to enforce their laws, such as their total ban on alcohol and smoking, which (correct me if im wrong) is not usually considered an anarchist principle

                  edit: bruh they deleted all their comments

                  • Yeah. I'm not doing this today so, I'm not gonna post any more actual arguments. I'm a trans woman less than 2 months out of surgery. I'm busy doing post surgical care. Posting in here at all was a mistake borne of my eternal frustration with being ridiculed by people who claim to support my political ideology.

                    I'm not here to engage any further on it. Have a good day.

    • Left unity isn't real, and we don't share a common cause

      • I'm not arguing with 10 people at once, none of whom are interested in any actual discussion. Please tell me how because I'm an anarchist i don't read books and must be a racist lmao. Good bye 👋

        • You almost certainly support regimes who would have me executed for being queer

          The final battlecry of the faux-"leftist" who refuses to actually engage with revolutionaries who actually do things.

          If you engaged with us in good faith whatsoever you would realize that a disproportionate percentage of us are LGBT+. We're also scientific socialists and believe in something called nuance.

          I am certain that you believe RFA nonsense regarding LGBT rights in AES nations. You should have seen the resolute joy permeating this site when Cuba passed the new family code. Vietnam will hold a similar referendum in 2024 and I have a ton of hope the Vietnamese people will make the correct choice. Being a worker's democracy, I believe they will.

          How does it feel knowing the AES world is progressing at 10x speed the capitalist world ever has? How does it feel to see successful socialism in action while you can't even name a successful anarchist territory, yet claim the Zapatistas do not have the right to differentiate themselves from western "anarchism"?

          I respectfully await Blahaj's self-inflicted demise, and for you to study.

          • I'm not arguing with 10 people at once, none of whom are interested in any actual discussion. Please tell me how because I'm an anarchist i don't read books and must be a racist lmao. Good bye 👋

            • Yes. Retreat and have le epic last word. We will continue to fight for LGBT+ liberation in reality while you waste time owning the tankies online. Enjoy.

              • I'm not arguing with 10 people at once, none of whom are interested in any actual discussion. Please tell me how because I'm an anarchist i don't read books and must be a racist lmao. Good bye 👋

                • u forgot somethin homie

                  • HAHAHAHAHAHA GET IT BECAUSE ANARCHIST HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

                    • nah because you're a troll lol. We have anarchists here who act like adults, believe it or not!

                      • You used to have several dedicated communities to ridiculing anarchists. I'm not even, I wandered in here because I saw another fucking post spreading the lie that anarchists are not actual revolutionaries and do not support actual revolution. Jesus fucking christ.

                        Im not doing this man. I'm dilating right now. I'm less than 2 months out of having my genitals inverted surgery. I'm tired of authoritarian socialism pretending to like anarchists. You murder us time and time again. And then come up with every possible excuse as per why. I'm just done with it. I dont want to talk here, report my post and ill be gone. I'm not a masochist, I'm not into being attacked by multiple different people all putting out different arguments at the same time in rapid succession. I only have like 10 minutes left before i have to continue on with other post surgical care that I cannot type during. So please, let's just both move on.

              • The soviet union murdered gay men and women. China to this day actively pushes back against all gay rights.

                But yeah sure

        • My cause is the welfare of the working class.

          Diabetics dying without insulin after the dissolution of industrial society is apparently good for the working class.

          I'm always curious about this when I talk to argumentive anarchists. When was the last time you read a book? Like, any book?

          • Today actually. Reading is almost the only thing I do, besides scroll this website and dilate. Penile inversion recovery takes up most of your free time, and the only thing you can really do during most of that time is read or scroll.

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