Messanger / Signal / Whatsup Alternative
Messanger / Signal / Whatsup Alternative
Is anyone here aware of some alternatives to mentioned instant messaging applications ? Alot of people keep mentioning Signal , however since it is US based I am not going to entertain it as a possibility.
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Try out the either Element or Fluffychat. Both based on decentralized, privacy, and security. Both based on Matrix. I like Fluffychat for ease of use and it’s on all devices. Plus you have to verify every device that signs in or that new device can not see previous chats as they stay encrypted.
It's not just "based on". Element and Fluffychat are two clients that use Matrix and are fully interoperable.
(I'm sure you know, but I'm not sure it's obvious for potential newcomers)
Tue. Sorry, bit sleepy while responding doesn’t help.
I also use Fluffychat and I’m pretty satisfied. But it has its own “quirks”. I would say it’s slightly more buggy than I would expect. And I’m mostly missing the function for pasting of images from mobile device’s clipboard. It’s still doable, but in a somehow convoluted way. But once I got familiar with it, I’m liking it.
One of the latest updates allow you to use the Share button to directly post to Fluffychat. But I do agree with quirks.
Yep, that’s what I meant by convoluted. It’s: Share -> Fluffychat -> Click on Post
Then Fluffychat opens with a popup where you select the respective chat and click on Forward. And then click on Send in new popup. It’s not a catastrophe, but I can definitely imagine less steps for that :)
Matrix is terrible for privacy. It shares more metadata with the servers than any other messenger.
From which year is that claim?
Today. Matrix does not encrypt your metadata like Signal does. The server can easily build a social tree.
The Signal server and a Matrix server, of course, have the same metadata visibility.
No they don't. Signal does not get any metadata. Matrix servers get everything and more than any other messenger. Not even the profile picture is encrypt with Matrix.
Yeah no, that's not how it works. The closed source Signal server by definition gets the meta data on your chats. It's simply needed for it to do its job. When receiving the encrypted message contents the Signal server, at the moment of the IP connection, knows the identity of the sending party. It also must know the identity of the receiving party, else it would be very difficult to make sure the message reaches them.
That's the user graph right there. Now Signal says they don't log it, and I'm sure they don't (here's where you look up what a National Security Letter is btw). If I run my own Matrix server for me and my friends, I can prove that it doesn't log.
Before making an uneducated comment you should at least read the source I shared and read the corresponding whitepaper explaining it. Your comment is a bit embarressing.
If you use a VPN (hiding your IP), Signal cannot build a social tree.
If you have any questions in particular feel free to ask.
I highly suggest getting third party reviews instead of competitor reviews which are ALWAYS SLANTED. Not to mention Matrix based like Element and Fluffychat are Open Source. Unlike Signal. Not to mention Signal provided info to US authorities fairly recently.
Signal is open-source. Signal did not provide info to the US. They don't have any info to share anyways. And you can confirm that as their code is open-source. Them sharing data is mathematically impossible.
What are you on about? You seem to have no idea what you're talking about. Stop spreading unreferenced misinformation. If you have something that we don't know about share a source or prove it!
Sounds great, thanks for the tip
You are most welcome. I tried a lot of various messengers and these were the only ones that seemed to fit the extreme security we need in age of fascism.
Exactly .. Element looks really good ... Now is the time to bully everyone around me to ditch the US shite and join me over there haha