Democratic National Convention Megathread! Day 1 - Monday 8/19
Democratic National Convention Megathread! Day 1 - Monday 8/19
Here we go again! 8/19 to 8/22
Guide here from the BBC of all places:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80ey324neeo
"President Biden will headline the convention on Monday night. The crowd will also hear from First Lady Jill Biden, Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson and other Democratic leaders.
On Tuesday, former President Barack Obama is expected to deliver remarks. Illinois Governor JB Pritzker and Ms Harris’s husband, Second Gentleman Doug Emhoff, will also address the convention on Tuesday.
Wednesday’s line-up reportedly features former President Bill Clinton and former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, among others.
Ms Harris’s running mate, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, will give the prime-time speech that night after his nomination.
The most important night of the convention is Thursday, when Vice-President Harris will take the stage. She will formally accept the presidential nomination and give her speech on the final night of the convention dedicated "For the Future."
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former First Lady Michelle Obama, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries will also take the stage at some point during the week."
All sorts of streaming info here:
Day 1 Schedule, all times are Central, so +1 for Eastern, -1 for Mountain, -2 for Pacific.
Remarks The Honorable Kathy Hochul Governor of New York
Remarks Shawn Fain President of the United Automobile Workers
Remarks The Honorable Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez Member of the U.S. House of Representatives, New York
Remarks The Honorable Hillary Rodham Clinton Former United States Secretary of State
Remarks The Honorable James E. Clyburn Member of the U.S. House of Representatives, South Carolina
Remarks The Honorable Jamie Raskin Member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Maryland
Remarks The Honorable Jasmine Crockett Member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Texas
Remarks The Honorable Grace Meng Member of the U.S. House of Representatives, New York
Joint Remarks Amanda and Josh Zurawski, Texas Kaitlyn Joshua, Louisiana Hadley Duvall, Kentucky
Remarks The Honorable Andy Beshear Governor of Kentucky
Remarks The Honorable Reverend Raphael G. Warnock United States Senator, Georgia
Remarks The Honorable Chris Coons United States Senator, Delaware
Remarks Dr. Jill Biden First Lady of the United States
Introduction Ashley Biden
Remarks The Honorable Joe Biden President of the United States
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Substance is already night and day compared to the garbage at the Republican convention.
Also I hope these protesters realize that Democrats will not risk getting ahead of the polls, so if they want to influence Harris and Biden more, then they need to spend their time not attacking Biden or Harris, but convincing their fellow Americans. Continue to shift the polls and you'll continie to see a shift in policy as we've already seen.
It would be really hard to convince fellow Americans to end support for Israel's genocide without mentioning who it is that's refusing to end support for Israel's genocide.
I'm not sure I buy that because explaining to your fellow Americans the genocide Israel is committing does not even require raising the current administration once. Once more Americans recognize the blatant atrocities Israel is committing and how Netanyahu has perpetrated around 40 x October 7ths not counting longterm damage to civilian infrastructure, then polls change; then policy changes as a reflection of said polling.
Whether we like it or not, the administration is carefully weighing different groups in different states, and over-committing to one may lead to net-losses from the others for the election. Hence their delicate toeing the line with not abandoning Israel but sympathizing with the civilian plight in Gaza.
Forget the fact that there is massive risk to withdraw military aid to Israel, where Bibi just so happens to ignore more intelligence of an impending Hamas attack. Then Israel accuses the Democrats of antisemitism and leaving them defenseless against terrorists. If it wasn't obvious, this sinks Democrats and leaves the door open for a far more pro-Israeli administration.
"Look at how bad this is, get mad!"
"Ahhh, i'm mad!! Now what do I do?!"
"Well certainly don't go bothering the democrats with it"
Lmao. The shapes we twist ourselves into by trying to acknowledge our convictions without letting go of partisanship. You do you bud, but I think protesting the democrats into action is the best thing to be doing right now.
lol man, these strawmen are simply out of hand if not bad faith. I really don't know if you have the prerequisite reading comprehension to engage with.
Please come back when you can actually respond, with substance, to the points I've made instead of petty deflections. Thank you.
"Sit down and shut up about genocide!"
Who said that? Certainly not me.
To the contrary, with a bit of reading comprehension, I'm saying quite the opposite.
stop asking politicians to represent your wishes and educate the powerless instead.
Solid plan bro
Boy I could protect my whole field of corn with all these strawmen!
It’s literally what you’re saying though. Don’t bother the politicians (by protesting) and ‘educate’ other voters.
How else would you like to describe what you’re encouraging people to do?
It's literally not, and I think I know what I'm saying better than you... You know — since I wrote it.
- Advocacy for a cause to politicians is fine.
- But recognizing a failed strategy is also good.
I mean, it's like if I said what you wrote is this:
I don't care if these protests wedge-drive democrats and lead to the other side who is far more sympathetic and pro-genocide to get in power!
Further read my comment here for more context.
I'm on your side. Your strategy just sucks and if anything is self-defeating.
Once more Americans recognize the blatant atrocities Israel is committing...
then polls change; then policy changes as a reflection of said polling.
Americans recognise the attrocities and approve, because when haven't they overwhelmingly approved bombing Palestinians?
https://news.gallup.com/poll/611375/americans-views-israel-palestinian-authority-down.aspx
Views are largely unchanged by the bombing of Palestinians, though younger Americans are more likely to be sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinian people.
Your claims of how to effect change are unfounded, go against reality, and ignore that protest is and always has been the... second most effective form of lobbying. The first being outright corruption.
You make my point.
- Democracy is a reflection of the will of the people.
- Most leaders don't lead from ahead, but rather lead from behind where the current polling is — especially true in an election year. Too much risk otherwise.
- So the BEST way to change policy direction is to change where the electorate is at.
- Otherwise, you again make my point: Protest all you want, it will do nothing until public position changes.
- So spend your time not arguing with me who fucking sympathizes with Palestinians and detests Netanyahu and also stop putting the cart before the horse and divert your attention to American Pro-Israeli crowds who DO support what Israel is doing and actually do the hard work of convincing THEM and the undecided. This is so obviously step fucking number one.
- By the way, Sympathy != Expressing approval for what Israel is doing in Gaza, necessarily, or which there has been change. If you don't believe me, here's another Gallup source from March.
- Your source is woefully out of date, as well. That link is from March (itself out of date), but the data is from February...
If I take your argument at face value, given the apparent swing in polling (and I do appreciate more up to date data, I didn't properly check that), then the sheer lack of change in the Democratic line proves you wrong.
Polls have swung and still the Democrats won't stop supplying and supporting Israel.
That points to Democracy not being a reflection of the will of the people... or at least the current US democracy not being representative.
Well for me that begs the question — has there been a lack of change in Democratic lines and action? Hear me out:
- In the week following October 7th, Biden literally went to Bibi and hugged him on the tarmac, said they're lockstep with Israel: "The United States has Israel's back. We're with Israel. Let's make no mistake."
- The administration went from vetoing in the UN dropping their and pushing aid into Gaza.
- Biden held up shipment of bombs to Israel following his line in the sand on invading Rafah.
- The administration went from giving Israel carte blanche on how they responded to Hamas, to now saying they needed to practice restraint and take effort to minimize casualties.
- Behind the scenes there are clear reports that Biden is extremely pissed off at Netanyahu.
- Meanwhile Harris made some of the most publicly-vocal comments on Bibi and Israel following her own meeting with Netanyahu, demanding that Israel follow through with the ceasefire.
These may sound like small things, but this is a monumental shift in US-Israeli diplomacy that we haven't seen in decades. This of course follows a reflection of the polls I noted earlier.
To me this all signals that following the election and scrutinizing different political groups (namely weighing Muslim communities in the mid-west versus the 7 million Jewish-Americans, some of whom in key battleground states like Pennsylvania and more sympathetic to Israel), then I think it's likely a Harris administration would immediately change its tune in regard to Israel. Hence why the likes of Netanyahu (and Putin) are doing everything they can to get Trump elected.
It would be really great if you elaborated on what you mean by "advocacy for a cause to politicians" that somehow does not 'wedge drive' democrats that do not agree
It honestly sounds like you want there to be people advocating for Palestine, but not so loudly/effectively that the democrats have to actually address it (because addressing it would put the democrats in a bad position).