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Nato summit: Ukraine on 'irreversible path' to membership

www.bbc.com Nato summit: Ukraine on 'irreversible path' to membership

The alliance also pledges more aid to Ukraine, but China warns it to stop "provoking confrontation".

Nato summit: Ukraine on 'irreversible path' to membership

Nato members have pledged their support for an "irreversible path" to future membership for Ukraine, as well as more aid.

While a formal timeline for it to join the military alliance was not agreed at a summit in Washington DC, the military alliance's 32 members said they had "unwavering" support for Ukraine's war effort.

Nato has also announced further integration with Ukraine's military and members have committed €40bn ($43.3bn, £33.7bn) in aid in the next year, including F-16 fighter jets and air defence support.

The bloc's Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said: "Support to Ukraine is not charity - it is in our own security interest."

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  • Oof https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_88247.htm

    The participation in the invasion was also NATO participants. Same with the Genocide in Gaza right now where NATO countries are doing the military logistics to provide israel with bombs and tank shells to blow up Palestinian kids.

    Either directly or indirectly NATO is just an extension of whatever imperialist escapades we go on. And the few times people actually need it it's utterly worthless such as Srebrenica and NATO just lets a Genocide happen without doing anything.

    • You can have independent operations by members states. If a couple of my cousins and myself go and murder someone that doesnt mean it was done by my clan. It just means some people in my clan are murderers, most alliance networks allow independent operations and actions seperate from the alliance.

      • The NATO site is literally bragging about it.

        And yeah it just so happen people in the NATO allience all just keep invading countries together under false pretenses and lies of national security.

        • One experience is experience youre gonna brag about having it. Two most of the alliance didnt participate, the only members who did were the US, Uk, and Poland for some reason. Thats only two of the founding memebers and three members total, Australia was also there. It was a massive operation done by pretty important nations Poland is the most important NATO member in the east of Europe, the US just is the most important member, and Britain is also pretty fucken important.

          But all four of the countries involved have independent alliances with eachother seperate from NATO, yes their offensive capabilities are helped by NATO but that is only on the experience and equipment level. If NATO was actually directly involved id expect France and Germany to have been involved for example.

          • Man why do I even bother Googling this bullshit. 3 members this man says. Do you just make things up and press post for fun? Not going to bother with this trolling.

            • Because it was only 3 members doing combat, everything else contributed by say Germany was do to secondary treaties. For example staging, hospital use, and maintenance in Germany would be covered by basing treaties. Yes quite a bit of this is wrapped up with NATO as a whole, but quite a bit also isnt lots of ifs, ands, ors, and buts in the language of it all.

              Turns out alliances and treaties can be complex and esoteric things at the best of times, we figured that out after WW1. And yes only three NATO members had participated in the 2003 invasion of Iraq and one of them (Poland) pulled out. If you bring up Australia they arent part of NATO. Iraq was an unjustified clusterfuck ya dont need to lie about it to make it sound worse.

              Also intelligence agencies dont count, half the time intelligence is in a region its to make sure it doesnt need them.

              • Did you google your statement before posting it?

                • Yes, the only listed combatant countries are fucking the US, UK, Poland, Australia, and allied Iraqi forces. Ive met enough fucking veterans to know who they fought with during the initial invasian from anecdotes alone and post invasion was the US, UK, and local forces.

                  Yes secondary assistance was given, but guess what only direct fucken involvement matters. Ill even qoute the fucking beginning of the fucking NATO article on the matter and the nice little list of NATO adjacent actions.

                  "The March 2003 campaign against Iraq was conducted by a coalition of forces from different countries, some of which were NATO member countries and some were not. NATO as an organisation had no role in the decision to undertake the campaign or to conduct it"

                  And heres the little list.

                  • NATO as an organisation had no role in the 2003 campaign since opinions among members were divided, as they were in the United Nations.

                  • Iraq was suspected of possessing weapons of mass destruction and was requested to comply with disarmament obligations.

                  • The US-led coalition, operation Iraqi Freedom, ousted the Saddam Hussein regime.

                  • Prior to the campaign and at the request of Turkey, NATO undertook precautionary defensive measures by deploying for instance surveillance aircraft and missile defenses on Turkish territory.

                  • NATO also supported Poland - a participant in the US-led Multinational Stabilization Force set up after the campaign - with for instance communications and logistics.

                  The closest fucking thing to actually getting involved in Iraq is the logistical assistance during occupation and that was largely in poland and the UK.

                  Here the fucking article on the NATO website if ya want to look further. Most of it is dedicated to the thing with Turkey.

                  https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_51977.htm

                  And heres the fucken wiki for the Iraq war.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

                  Its all rather dry but concise. Read it and weap profligate.

                  • Wow such a paragraph without fact checking that's amazing.

                    • Whats your counterpoint then, give me something to work with other than "youre wrong" I laid out my sources. But let me let ya in on a little secret, that which is asserted without evidence can and should be dismissed without evidence. You have made assertion that NATO as an alliance was involved directly in Iraq, but the closest thing is some random shit in Turkey and Poland getting help with logistics during the occupation period.

                      For fucks sake the strongest evidence against your assertion is the fact that some Americans tried renaming french fries freedom fries, all because the French wanted nothing to do with that clusterfuck. Ya know France one of the founding members of NATO.

                      Either put up or shutup. Cause its easy to say no its an entirely different thing to make a proper fucken argument.

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