Yeah, and it works wonderfully. Why wouldn't they roll with it?
We libs think we score some kinda "gotcha!" by pointing to the hypocrisy. It's not working for us.
They got a formula that works. We do not. Isn't it about time to abandon the high road and engage in lying, cheating and stealing? Hell, they already think we're doing it.
Prime example of a pot... cough cough cough hack hack cough haaaack cough cough cough... pot calling... haack haaack.. black. Huuaaah. It's just allergies.
Not directly related beyond steaming and podcasting apparently rotting people's brains, but I just watched a stream where a guy tried to cough up a lung and then said "it's not allergies, chat, it's just hay fever"
Like, damn bro. You're about to get clowned on by thirteen year olds with more medical knowledge than you.
He did not acknowledge the logical conclusion that everything he said about Biden being unfit should then in theory be applied to Trump. No, Trump just "fucked up".
If read the article critically, you would not accept such a lazy correction.
You are mistaken in thinking that changes anything.
Fascists only need to blast their message. Any incorrectness or recanting is 100% irrelevant and inconsequential.
When the nazis roll over the government and burn it all down, I swear, there'll be this 10% subset of people befuddled that this could be happening after all of the recanting. It doesn't matter. Don't let them convince you it matters.
I seen a bit of this interview yesterday. The article doesn't cover it all. As soon as these 2 knuckleheads started spewing airports and it was Biden that said this I was confused as this was something Trump said a few years back. Didn't they know? They ride the media for skewing things and they weren't even aware of how Trump was called out in the same media for this some time back.
Below this fellow breaks down the double standard in more detail than the article does. It covers how Rogan and his Guest said no one should listen to Biden and how he is unfit for office due to this airport thing. Then when the producer points out to Rogan that Biden is referring to what Trump previously said, it wasn't a big deal all of a sudden to Rogan and the guest.
Trump gets a "whoopsie doodle" pass and Trump is still the better choice in his mind I'm sure. Not saying Biden is a gem of a rose but with how hard the right are trying to pin anything on Biden and failing, Trump is still a rotten to the core choice for endless reasons.
Its always unfalsifiable. They're right no matter their position, $100 million > objective reality any day /s
Thats why estoppel in the legal system and the legal system in general are Trump's kryptonite, even if it looks like hes constantly usurping it. Make him pin down himself and he just can't do it so he loses cuz he can't stop himself from hedging or being sure what he says is going to be universally adored by those he "represents"
Also, like those Targets that let you steal until its a felony and both of you hit the big time 🎬
Rogan is a truly horrible human being. I absolutely cannot stand that asshole. He is the walking and talking Dunning-Krueger Effect. He is a washed up comedian who moved on to making people eat disgusting stuff on a shitty reality show to thinking he is some sort of brilliant host.
I listened to him for a while, then found him complaining more and more about the left. That was mostly fine since he complained about conservatives as well and he supported Bernie Sanders, but I got fed up with him because he wouldn't have liberals on the show to discuss the topics he clearly knew nothing about yet loved to bring up constantly.
He's a guy who touts himself on being open, curious, and willing to learn, but what I found was the exact opposite. Any time there was a guest on his show who disagreed with something and the conversation turned into more of a debate, he'd say that having that person on was a mistake. Ultimately I stopped listening when he proved himself to be a blowhard hypocrite.
I also hate how he's appropriated the acronym "JRE" from programming to a right wing conspiracy show. Say what you want about Java but it doesn't deserve this.
I can't believe I used to listen to him lol he got me with the scientist interviews... Like not the Egyptian aliens types, but people like Neil Degrass Tyson.
Then I listened enough to realize he's a jackass right winger pretending that liking weed puts him on the left somehow, kinda like Bill Maher. Yeah yeah Bill you're tolerant of "the gays" and you like weed, but he's center right if anything, again pretending he's on the left for his ratings.
I keep getting videos of Rogan pushed on YouTube, while I constantly mark them as "not interested" of report them as "fake news". He's like a horrible decease you never can get rid of.
The algorithms know that people who dislike something enough to click a button will be primed to potentially do something like hate-watch or open the video to leave a comment, etc so by interacting you are telling it you were emotionally affected.
The best way to avoid getting suggested videos like this is to completely ignore them. Do not open it, do not click any buttons on it or hover over it long enough for the preview to start.
Eventually you'll only see suggestions like that if you are a regular watcher of videos on the opposite end of the spectrum.
I've been telling YouTube not to recommend these types of videos and it seems to work well with minimal effort on my part. When I look at the homepage, it's all cooking and math videos, and it's been that way for years now.
It shouldn't, I don't see them anymore by choosing the don't recommend this channel to me anymore. And I do bij so watch a ton of bjj videos, so anytime some channel pops up that uses his clips it's recommended to me. Still his own channel and that main clipping channel are things I haven't seen in a long time.
Here's a direct excerpt from the article OP linked:
Shortly after the exchange during the show, “The Joe Rogan Experience” producer Jamie Vernon cut in to correct Rogan. Vernon played a clip that Rogan had cited, which was in fact a video of Biden mocking “stable genius” Trump for the comments about airports in the Revolutionary War. Then Vernon ran a video clip of Trump’s “Salute to America” remarks from July 4, 2019, in which the former president praised Americans’ military efforts in the war against Great Britain.
In the speech, Trump said in part, “Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory.” (Meanwhile, Fort McHenry was the site of a key American victory over the British navy in the War of 1812, not the Revolutionary War.)
To that, Rogan responded, “Oh, so [Trump] fucked up.” Nickal commented, “That’s the thing about media these days. You gotta look into it.”
I dont watch the podcast, but please: let's exhibit some media literacy while we criticize others for their supposed lack of media literacy.
It's only misinformation if it's consumed as a soundbite devoid of context. And since you're commenting on my comment highlighting the context, I am legitimately confused as to your issue. If near real-time fact-checking on the very same podcast episode isn't enough for you: then you may just have an issue with conversational podcasts in general. Stick to printed news.
Did he apologize, and use it as a learning experience to not just blindly believe bullshit and be extra vigilant when you are spreading such bullshit to millions?
Fact checking ideally happens before you start attributing quotes to people, forming an opinion about it, and making calls to take action.
Fact checking after the falsehood has already been stated is no longer fact checking, it's simply correcting the record.
There's the famous quote: "A lie can travel halfway across the globe before the truth can even get it's pants on.". Very relevant here. He made a big deal about Biden being unfit for office, but when the record was corrected there was no mention of Trump's fitness (not to mention it being old news in the first place). The damage was done already.
Not the original commenter here but this one doesn't make a direct connection, but certainly says Spotify blew money poorly that they are trying to make up for, although it mainly mentions cuts in podcasts. This one make s bit more of a correlation saying "The cancellations coincide with jobs cuts at Spotify Monday that eliminated 17% of the streaming company’s staff, or around 1,500 people. Spotify has undertaken several rounds of job cuts since October 2022. " https://fortune.com/2023/12/04/spotify-podcasts-cancelled-heavyweight-stolen/ However you're not going to find much more than that because it would require a degree of openness and honest that a shitty company isn't going to give. So it's hard to say a direct connection doesn't exist when all the data on that is kept secret by the people who profit from it.
It is crazy how large of an audience he has. When he clearly worships Trump, his reaction to finding out it was Trump's words said enough. Idol worship is an ugly thing.
Like many other public figures, his rhetoric matches the need for confirmation bias among his listeners. It's a business based on telling your contingency what they want to hear. Cletus and Merle are your football fans for team MAGA. They'll be on your side whether you win or lose.
A partial moron might believe whatever he's told but then have a "wait a minute, something's not right here" moment. A full moron doesn't have that moment and spreads the problem to others.
Another example would be a "leopards are my face" moment. A partial moron would be surprised that approaching a leopard caused them bodily harm but learn not to do it again. A full moron would sue the leopard but do it again with their child.
Another example: a partial moron gets directions, sees the distance, thinks a half tank of gas will get them there and back despite prior trips showing the opposite. But they have a Jerry can in the trunk. A full moron wouldn't have the Jerry can and buys a bigger vehicle with a larger engine because it comes with a bigger gas tank and then blames the liberals when they still run out of gas.
JustZ is only saying Joe Rogan is a moron. The term "full moron" isn't a commonly used phrase on its own, but the word "full" followed by an adjective or noun can be used to enhance the descriptive word, such the quote "never go full retard" from the comedy movie "Tropic Thunder". The context is that an actor played a person with a mental disability in a movie, but they tried too hard, and the performance was uncomfortable for some people.
I feel compelled to note that I don't condone using hateful or disparaging language when describing the differently abled.
I watched a couple of episodes years ago. One with Wim Hof, and one with a guy talking about Terrence Mckenna. They were interesting enough, but I never got hooked. It sounds like the show has gone downhill from there.
He really fell into the alt-right "manosphere" crowd after Covid restrictions started rolling out I think. Those really put a damper on his two business and personal interests outside of his podcast: stand up comedy, and MMA. It was so much he moved his studio from LA to somewhere in Texas where they obviously didn't give a shit about Covid.
Well what do you know? Those are also the only episodes I ever went through. Maybe also one about Bitcoin... was Andreas Antonopoulos ever a guest? But don't answer that, it's not important, what's important is that this toxic meathead detoured into q-anon territory, then went off like an excrement bomb on the internet, not unlike infowars a few years earlier, and I have no interest in either, may they rot far away from my mind.
This strikes me as a particularly ahistoric take. I'd like to make two points in that regard.
News Radio was the biggest gig yet for both Joe Rogan and Andy Dick, who played main characters on the show from the start. Jon Lovitz was already well known from his time on Saturday Night Live -- arguably a higher-profile position than the one he took on News Radio.
Jon Lovitz wasn't spawned by News Radio, is my first point. To the contrary: Lovitz was brought onto the show as an established big-name talent after (his friend and fellow SNL alum) Phil Hartman died.
And how did Phil Hartman die? Phil Hartman was shot and killed by his wife, Brynn Omdahl, who struggled with substance abuse. According to Lovitz, Andy Dick was said to have shared cocaine with her at a Christmas party at Hartman's house.
"[Andy] was just complaining and really giving me a hard time for no reason. Phil told me that they had a Christmas party and Andy was doing cocaine and he gave it to Phil's wife Brynn, who had been sober for 10 years. So Andy said to me, 'Well, you shouldn't be here,' and I said, 'Well, I wouldn't be here if you hadn't given Brynn coke in the first place.'"
After this on-set exchange, Lovitz and Dick were said to have made up and were able to work professionally together on News Radio. Later, however, when Lovitz was out at a restaurant, Dick came over to his table and invoked his ostensible involvement with Hartman's murder:
"He's standing there with liqueur dripping down his chin and he says, 'I put the Phil Hartman hex on you, you're the next one to die,'" said Lovitz. "And he's smiling, and my blood just went to my head. I wanted to smash him, but if I hit him he would have gone flying into the table behind him. He was really drunk."
My second point is that, while Jon Lovitz maybe be a "character," he's an entirely different class of character than Andy Dick. (Or Joe Rogan, for that matter, just to pretend this whole long reply still has something to do with the actual OP topic.)
Does he still have Young Jamie fact-checking and pulling stuff up? Its hilarious that Jamie let him prep his own noose and reinforce/double-down and then let him pull the switch
Edit: i do want to credit Rogan for keeping Young Jamie around, its the only way I ever listen to his podcast. There needs to be an adult (Young Jamie) in the room to facillitate important moments like this and pushback on Joe's more freewheeling side where facts and interpretations are involved ans politically-influential
I do think Rogan retains a nominal openess that I appreciate altho its becoming less and less certain about how truly open he is in terms of hosting people he disagrees with like Bill Maher seems to do in my experience watching.
Possibly because it's an overused, hyperbolic and mostly meaningless word, that really only serves to amplify the rage-bait component of a click-bait headline.
To me such language signals that the author's purpose is not to enlighten or dispell ignorance, but to get the upper hand, be the one who is "right" and the opponent is made "wrong." It's not only a lazy way of thinking, but it prevents anyone from actually learning anything. Instead we just get to be self-righteous for being "smart."
Any time I see an article that attempts to bash, slam, destroy, demolish, etc, etc. I cannot take it seriously because the author has convinced me from the start they are not interested in inspiring honest dialogue about a social issue. They just want to draw you into their own limited, biased way of thinking.
It’s called “editorialization” and it’s when you use colorful language to add meaning that doesn’t exist in the subject material.
In this case, I’d say it bothers you because there’s no actual definition of “blasts” that’s different from “criticizes” or “comments on”, and it indicates to you that the writer’s intent was to inflame rather than inform.
Thanks for confirming that I'm still safe getting my political guidance from the same place I keep up to date on all of the revolutionary breakthroughs in advanced water drinking and breathing techniques.
IMO the article doesn't read as onion-y and you served us an AMP page for some reason. Please don't do that, not only because of Google but because that serves us a mobile page on desktop.
There's a healthy middle ground that everyone seems to be allergic to. Not wanting to meet someone because they don't hate someone is not healthy. The top thread here has someone making a joke about they wish he'd die. Most of these people haven't even watched his podcast, they just get told to hate him by the media. Article here is a good example of that.
Downvoting people that notice the toxicity and say something as simple as "wow you guys really hate someone" is a good example too.