[Discussion] How do you feel about age verification on Porn sites?
[Discussion] How do you feel about age verification on Porn sites?
There is a discussion on Hacker News [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38707809], but feel free to comment here as well.
Porn sites Pornhub, XVideos, and Stripchat face stricter requirements to verify the ages of their users after being officially designated as “Very Large Online Platforms” (VLOPs) under the European Union’s Digital Services Act (DSA).
I personally have mixed feelings, as the information collection could be used to link individuals and profile them. Possibly leading to discrimination if abused.
But I also feel that any random kid shouldn't be able to just go to these sites and see porn freely.
Ofc, there's always going to be those who mange to circumvent any protection put in place but it'd be much harder then just clicking a link or typing in the address.
I also feel that parents should actively monitor their kids online activities and step up a Blocklist to pro-actively prevent kids from reaching these sites to begin with.
What are your thoughts on this?
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I think we should stop, as a society, to try (and fail) to handle problems by imposing limits and obligation and start doing it with some fuckin large-scale massive education planning.
In this context: a smart boy/girl, with sexual/emotional education and good critical thinking can have access to all the porn in the world from teenage and be fine 99% of the time
Prohibition leads to black and grey markets, where what is produced and consumed is frequently even more corrupted and dangerous/risky in its acquisition and delivery than whatever you think of the corollaries in the lit markets. It may also drive more deviant and destructive behavior where they may hide their actions and produce more shame and be labeled criminals.
My only divergence would be that the education planning starts at each individual family level rather than large-scale massive education buracracy, which is what we have now and is failing badly to produce good results.
Maybe once that first order family circle is built strongly, you can begin to expand the circle of influence to extended family, neighbors, friends and community.
I disagree. Family education is very important, but it's not something you can rely on. Just to point out some major problem:
- you leave behind everyone that have a problematic family
- even the most intelligent and benevolent parents will be just limited to their core value and experience, and education needs more
- education is a very complex process that needs professionals, especially considering a rapidly evolving context like today. You can't ask a parent to be ALSO a professional educator. You need skills, training, experience.
I am fine with you disagreeing and forging your own path. I mean that sincerely. I would like to follow mine. We can each see how it works out.
Just please don't force me to support your approach, financially or otherwise, by using the state/gov or others as a proxy for your personal wishes, and I will agree to the same, as I already do.
Edit: Also, do not use those same levers of power to form a cartel that excludes my family, or those who choose to do it this way from participating in public life. We can all get along with tolerance and respect, despite our differences.
Upvote for the civil discourse and laying out your reasoning.
We are just discussing here. Why are you assuming I'm trying to force something into you or your family? How would I do it?
I'm sorry, I think I'm missing the point of your answer. It's a social and we're just discussing opinions, nobody can decide anything about anything.
I know we are discussing it. I appreciate the discussion! You have been civil and a good conversationalist presenting your views with thoughtfulness so far. That's rare on the socials sometimes.
I mean to drive at the manner of how you would accomplish your stated goals above. By voluntary enrollment of those interested who may agree with your approach? With the ability for those like myself who may live near you and who feel, think, believe and act differently to opt-out? Or by compulsory taxation, or other compulsory inclusion of my family in these services you pitch, with penalty of financial, legal, or violent force? For instance, no ability to peacefully remain in my location of birth and/or circumstance, but to opt out and to choose my own path AND choose not to pay for or participate in your scheme should I choose not to. Would that be acceptable?
I hope you can see the parallels I'm drawing to most regions in the world. I am compelled now to submit property tax and other tax for a similar model to what you describe above against my will, under threats, leading up to and including death, should I refuse to pay them, even if I choose not to participate in my neighbors preferred model. So thus under duress and extortion.
In this scenario, you (my neighbors) would not threaten me or use violence directly of course, but instead would use proxies with more manpower and weapons plus the false cloak of legitimacy or law to do it, which is cowardly and unjust. Beurocratic, legal and police action, again, up to and including violence, imprisonment and death force me to to comply to something I disagree with philosophically, morally, spiritually and logically. Today. Not hypothetically.
So what I'm saying is that I'm more than happy for you and yours to do things your way, even if I chose a different way. I wouldn't compel you to fund or support my way. I would request you afford me the same courtesy and we could coexist in harmony, or at least not conflict, even if we disagree on approach.
This is not how the vast majority of modern society functions today. Which is why I'm curious about how you would approach your hypothetical model.
edit: spelling, clarity, fat fingers
And if they aren't smart enough, they'll get a shit ton super sexualised stuff from the day they see a screen anyways.
It's just a power game, or the old "vote for me, those things are evil". I say that as no one seems to blend in sex ed. Like at all.