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If you think any flavour of socialist "just hasn't discovered social democracy", then no, you don't know what socialism is. Any socialist already knows about it, and probably believed in it once, but moved past it after learning that it's insufficient.
Uh, I think you dont know what socialism is. Read up on it. This comment tree is not about it anyway so please start another one if you want to discuss socialism. Or at least make sure you
A: let everyone know youre going OT
B: know what you are talking about.
Thank you
WTF exactly do you think socialism is, if you think it's off topic?
You mentioned tankies. Tankie is a pejorative for Marxism-Leninism, a form of socialism.
You mentioned communism. Communism is a form of socialism.
You mentioned social democracy - a concept many ignorant people confuse with socialism.
You also intimated that MLs simply "haven't discovered social democracy" - a statement that can only be said by someone who thinks social democracy is "socialism done right".
You also intimated that MLs simply “haven’t discovered social democracy”
This is especially completely hilarious for anyone actually reading even a wiki page and knowing that the the most historically important M-L party, CPSU, was originally named literally Russian Social Democratic Labour Party and that all marxists called themselves social-democrats for a decades, until the bulk of them betrayed the working class and supported imperialism in WW1.
Fascinating how the guys most enthusiastic about communism and socialism have the least clue on what it is. Please, educate yourself, they are quite simple ideas, which is why they are the ideology of the uneducated and violent
Then explain to me what it is and why it is violent. I wager you can't.
Reality (its a thing) is a bit of a giveaway
Reality, huh? So... the world outside. Okay, I'll go pick up a rock and see if the answer is under there.
C'mon, man. I thought you said it was simple? Should be easy for you to explain :)
Communism as an ideology is always supported by the uneducated, communism always leads into violence.
Reality is opening your eyes and seeing a creature with hooves that says moo and calling it a cow.
Communism is being delusional with a thin view on morality and ethics and supporting/doing a genocide.
Quite simple.
No, i asked you to explain what communism is. Not describe how you view it.
What are its axioms, what do its supporters believe? What is its goal, and what methods does it promote to achieve them?
What does it oppose? What are its philosophical bases? What is its praxis? Who are some influential thinkers in the field, and what theories did they add?
Hell, here's an even easier one: can you even name a single communist philosopher?
Please it is not my job to educate you. And for these surface level discussions (well, socialism is surface level) you ought to just read the wiki page on it.
Literally take 10 minutes of your day to read it and come back to me after you know what socialism is. Dont even have to apologize me, I'm not like that, I just want to see people get better and flourish.
I already know what it is. I'm waiting for you to prove you do. I'm not asking for my benefit - I've spent years deep in socialist theory already. This is why I'm drilling you. Because you're just saying vague shit that does not hint at any socialist theory at all - just blind hatred of something you never took time to learn about.
Socialism, at its most basic, is workers seizing the means of production; the proletariat overthrowing the bourgeoisie to resolve the class antagonisms inhetent in the capitalist mode of production.
I didn't want to have to do this, because now you definitely know what socialism is, since I've explained it, and you can just pretend you knew all along.