Has Beehaw stated why lemmy.ml and kbin.social were spared, but lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works were defederated when all four share similar growth and open registration?
hey folks, here’s a quick update on our decision to defederate from
sh.itjust.works! (and here’s sh.itjust.works
[https://sh.itjust.works/post/129725]’s side of this update) we got in touch
with the head admin over there, The Dude, and we had a pretty good chat about
our concerns and reason for defe...
(Posting to lemmy.world seems to be disabled so I'm posting this here instead.)
This inconsistency has been bothering me, so I went poking around in their support community, and the best I could find was a statement saying they had reached out to the admins of both. Apparently they expected @[email protected] to reply to something that didn't seem like a question as indicated by his response in Beehaw Support. As such, they claim to have no roadmap to eventually refederate with lemmy.world.
I added a reply from another instance, but I'm guessing I won't receive a reponse so if anyone knows, I would like to better understand the issue. It's quite annoying feeling like I'm missing out, especially when I'm seeing inflammatory overly generalized statements from kbin.social users about how lemmy.world deserved to be defederated over in this post on lemmy.ml.
Unpopular opinion but I don't think refederation with beehaw.org should be on the table. They loved the concept of federation when they needed users, and then once they've grown enough they said okay now we're gonna be a closed island and the other peasants need to rise to our standards before we refederate with them. The moderation excuse is obviously not sincere as users could have easily volunteered to moderate.
No matter how fancy their writing is (and there was indeed lots of it, why try too hard to justify the decision?), I think the trust has been broken. Why would I comment on their threads ever again and risk having my content "locked" in their instance if they go on another ego trip and defederate again?
I just want to know why only some of the large communities were hit. My best guess so far from memory is lemmy.ml was struggling to stay online and federated during that time, and kbin.social had their Cloudflare DDOS protection enabled breaking federation so maybe they were not an immediate concern on the day the announcement was made. I've no clue why they have not since defederated with lemmy.ml and kbin.social since both are currently federating with everyone.
As far as refederating with Beehaw.org goes, lemmy.world is only defederated with one unrelated instance so we never actually stopped federating with them. It's just a one way street stuck in time since we get no new content.
That is some damning evidence that they really did defederate over effectively nothing. I don't quite understand how the modlog works or how to filter it, so I'm glad you were able to research that and confirm because I was curious if there were a lot of records in there leading up to the defederation.
TBH, as I haven't spun up my own instance to see what admins can do, I can't say for sure if what I see is the whole record.
That said, the modlog is described in the docs as being there to provide transparency, so at face value, it seems that five people may have been all it took.
I also haven't looked closely into what "purged a user" means vs the other more transparent actions on the modlog, so I have to say, "take all these comments with a grain of salt." I'm still learning about lemmy as a platform.
I may be mistaken, but from what I gather the modlog is...Kind of a mess. It appears to aggregate the admin/mod actions of admins & mods across instances & communities, and doesn't allow for filtering to the specific instance or community.
You can see this if you come across someone that's been banned in a different instance but made a new account in another with the same name by filtering the modlog by username (albeit that can be finicky, like a lot of things atm).
I don't really like beehaw due to a recent experience with them misleading people extremely severely that nobody but me seemed to really acknowledge. but if anything I stick to World.