17-year-old U.S. national team racer Magnus White killed by driver in Colorado - Canadian Cycling Magazine
17-year-old U.S. national team racer Magnus White killed by driver in Colorado - Canadian Cycling Magazine
17-year-old U.S. national team racer Magnus White killed by driver in Colorado. XC and cyclocross was on a training ride
White is not the only high-level cyclist to die in Colorado in recent years. In 2020, Clif Pro Team racer Ben Sonntag was killed by a driver while on a training ride outside Durango. That driver was sentenced to serve jail time in late 2021. In 2021, U.S. masters champion Gwen Inglis was killed by a driver outside Lakewood, Colorado.
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Cycling on a road with cars driving by at 35+ mph is in my opinion VERY extreme and crazy. You’d have to be crazy to put your life in that kind of danger.
Your opinion isn't grounded in fact, though. It's MORE dangerous to be in a city around cars going much slower than 35mph than a cyclist riding on rural roads where cars go faster than 35mph. Even parking lots, where cars are going super slow, pedestrians are hit because drivers suck.
And it's even still MORE dangerous to be a driver or passenger in a car, but that doesn't mean cyclists and pedestrians should continue to be victimized.
The solution tho is NOT to be stubborn and continue cycling on dangerous roads. You’re just doubling down on your position.
Where do you propose people cycle or walk? If not on empty rural roads, and not in suburban areas, and certainly not in the city. Then where?
Feel free to lobby the government. Feel free to seek infrastructure changes to make cycling safer.
Yes, there are a LOT of people who are doing this. However, nothing can truly be safe with cars being anywhere near cyclists and pedestrians.
But at the end of the day it’s your choice on whether or not you want to take risks.
If cycling is a lower risk activity than driving, why not take that option if safety is a concern? Seems extreme to drive when saver options are available.
If you go as far as taking the enormous risk of biking on
busy roadsthen it’s you who has to live with the consequences if something bad happens.Again, even NON-BUSY roads carry a risk whenever any car is nearby. Drivers have been known to plow their vehicles through storefronts, putting people INSIDE OF A STORE at risk. Does the responsibility rest with the patrons of that store to have to worry about shopping in a place that's close to a parking lot for cars?? Seems like more victim blaming.
If you can’t see the danger behind **walking **or cycling along a
busyroad with cars driving byat fatal speedsthen I guess we just don’t look at life the same way.I'm really curious to know how you get around, or if you get around, to run errands or commute. I'm assuming you don't drive, since that's the most dangerous form of transportation, but then it seems like you also don't walk or ride a bike. What else is left?
Never in a million years will you convince me that riding your bike along a busy road with no shoulder is safer then me driving down the same stretch of road in a vehicle.
If you want to exercise there are safer ways to do it. If you’re too dumb to see how dangerous it is then that’s on you.
Never in a million years will you convince me that riding your bike along a busy road with no shoulder is safer then me driving down the same stretch of road in a vehicle.
I don't know if there are stats comparing the same specific road using different modes of transportation, but overall, driving has a higher death rate per capita than cycling. Even when the roads aren't busy!
Even the CDC states that "Age-adjusted motor vehicle traffic death rates were highest for motor vehicle occupants and lowest for pedal cyclists for the entire period (1999 to 2019) (SOURCE)
You don't need to be convinced, facts don't care about what you or I think.
If you want to
exercisethere are safer ways to do it. If you’re too dumb to see how dangerous it is then that’s on you.What about commuting? Running errands? Visiting a friend the next block over? If driving is demonstrably more dangerous, and only stupid people walk or cycle, what would you do in those cases? Just stay home?
You’re grasping at straws.
Per capita death includes all scenarios. We’re not talking about all scenarios. We’re not talking about whether cars are safer then bikes.
Riding a bike is safer than driving a vehicle. NO SHIT.
We’re specifically talking about riding your bike down a busy road with cars.
You do know there are other places to ride your bike where there aren’t massive death machines driving by right?
God damn are you really this dense?
We’re specifically talking about riding your bike down a busy road with cars.
Nobody is riding bikes on freeways, if that's what you're implying. What do you consider "too busy"? 1 car per hour? 100? 1000?
Rural roads, that is, farm roads with maybe a few cars an hour, like the roads that MANY cyclists use because they aren't busy, can still kill cyclists because drivers are idiots.
What about residential neighbourhoods where kids live and play (and where cars still end up killing people)? Still too busy for bikes?
You've been blaming victims since your first comment, defending cars and relegating cycling to "extreme and crazy". Yet you haven't offered any solutions at all to what pedestrian and cyclists should do to perform their normal, daily tasks.
I'm COMPLETELY open to solutions, but it sounds like you simply don't want cyclists on the road... any of them. And that's not a solution to anything except making all areas in every community less safe to be in.
“Rural roads, that is, farm roads with maybe a few cars an hour, like the roads that MANY cyclists use because they aren't busy, can still kill cyclists because drivers are idiots.”
Exactly! If you don’t want to die from getting hit by a car THEN STAY OFF THE ROAD. Literally cycle anywhere else it isn’t that hard. I don’t have sympathy for people who refuse to understand this.
I also have zero empathy for people that die in sky diving incidents. I have zero sympathy for people who do stupid shit and die from doing stupid shit.
If you don’t want to die from getting hit by a car THEN STAY OFF THE ROAD. Literally cycle anywhere else it isn’t that hard.
So, help me to understand.
Someone walks out of their home with a bike. Now what? Where do they ride if they already know the destination?
I have zero sympathy for people who do stupid shit and die from doing stupid shit.
Ironically, you consider anything except driving to be "stupid shit", even though driving is more likely to get someone killed.
And we won't even get into the number of lives SAVED because of the health benefits that go along with cycling, or the health detriments that go along with driving – even if you aren't the driver!
You know that there are other places to ride your bike than busy roads right?
You know there are other ways to exercise right?
Sounds like you’re just being stubborn. Go for it buddy. It’s only your life.
You failed to answer the question.
Someone is trying to get to work or pick up prescriptions. They walk of their house with a bike. Where do you suggest they ride?
No, you failed to answer my question. With all of the places in the world you can ride your bike for entertainment/exercise why do you select busy roads? Why is your first and only choice to ride around death machines?
We aren’t talking about people who are too poor to buy a car or can’t take public transportation.
We are literally talking about people who are joy riding and do so on dangerous roads.
Did you forget that we are responding to a post about a child who died because he decided to use a public busy road for training? He very easily could have chosen a safer place to do it. Sounds to me like you’re the type of person who refuses to take accountability for your own actions.
You’re so stubborn that you’d rather die by getting hit by a car then just finding a safer place.
Really there is no point using logic with you because you don’t use that part of your brain.
Bye.
With all of the places in the world you can ride your bike for entertainment/exercise why do you select busy roads? Why is your first and only choice to ride around death machines?
Can you name all of these places in the world to ride a bike? If not the road and not the sidewalk, where?
And nobody purposely chooses to ride their bike around cars - they are forced to with no other alternatives.
Still, they have a legal right to be on those roads, and drivers have a legal and moral obligation to drive safely.
Did you forget that we are responding to a post about a child who died because he decided to use a public busy road for training? He very easily could have chosen a safer place to do it.
The kid was cycling in an area close to his own home! He was struck from behind while riding on the shoulder!
Maybe drivers should learn how to drive and not kill people. How does that sound?
You haven't ONCE held a driver responsible for their actions in any of your replies, so you are arguing in bad faith. You simply don't like cyclists.
Dude. People get killed cycling on cycle paths too. Most accidents happen in cities, at intersections, not on calm rural roads. It is not that dangerous.
You are promoting to not ride a bike at all really, i think a bicycling community is a strange place to do that.