How worried should US people be about "tariffs"? Should I invest in upgrading my equipment ASAP?
Basically title. I'm a digital artist in the USA and not rich by any stretch. In fact, somewhat in debt. (Aren't we all.)
I also try really hard to not be a mindless consumer. I use old equipment as long as I can, repair, refurbish, etc...
All this talk of upcoming tariffs has me worried that, rather than being able to get a day-job at newly opened US manufacturing for electronics or something, I'll instead be paying +60% more on like everything.
I know tech is a depreciating asset, but should I try to upgrade now to hold out for the next ~5 years or so?
I was considering hunting down a motherboard/cpu/RAM combo for instance.
Are worries about tariffs overblown?
Trying to figure out how to prepare as best I can with my meager resources before everything just...keeps getting worse.
I am getting paid for my digital art, it's not living money though. My spouse has a more stable income that enables me to keep trying.
Thanks in advance. <3
EDIT: Thanks a ton for all the helpful replies! I'm glad I'm not being overly paranoid.
Some of you have asked for system specs so here they are for the curious:
System Specs:
OS: OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
Mobo: Z590 Aorus Elite AX
CPU: i7-10700k @ 5.1 Ghz
GPU: Nvidia RTX 3090
Mem: 32GB DDR4 (forget the speed...3000?)
I want to be clear: I don't mean to sound too panicked and I'm more than happy to be content with what I have and see my blessings for what they are.
However, as I'm trying to break into being a 3D Blender artist and gamedev professionally, I'm trying to strategize whether standards will significantly increase and leave me behind in the next 5 years or so. (Game industry, not trying to do Hollywood VFX models on my home rig or anything lol)
I don't game so much these days unfortunately. And if I do, like 5% of my library is particularly demanding. 😂
I thrift for a fair number of things so, I'm not that affected. 86% of the things in my apartment are through thrifting. The only things I know I'm going to probably wrestle with at times is groceries and newer things I would actually need like some appliance or something breaks down. It depends.
Used hardware is crazy cheap. You can get a tower with 16gb memory, 8th or 9th gen processors, ssd storage for like 200$. Workstations are also super cheap if doing 3D modeling.
Regardless of whether or not the tariff increases happen, Black Friday sales are going on right now, and depending on what stores are near you (namely Micro Center), you could find some good deals. Just make sure you check price history on anything you're looking at (if you're able) to ensure it's actually a deal.
This is the biggest one. I use Keepa for things, and I've heard other people suggest camelcamelcamel. Always check the pricing history first, don't get sucked into the "Save money!" trap. You're not saving anything if you wouldn't have bought the item in the first place.
Unless Trump has a stroke it's very likely that the cost of electronics will go up significantly. And with corporate price gouging, I would expect they'll stay higher even if the tariffs are lifted.
It's black Friday. Probably no time like the present to get things you think you'll be buying in the next few years anyway.
I'd say that unless you absolutely need to upgrade, don't do it and set it aside to save the money. Money is going to get very tight soon for a lot of essential goods, so having it ready is a good idea for prep. If you never need to dip into it and manage to save some, then it's possible that you can upgrade later.
In addition to electronics going up, there’s also the looming End of Life for a lot of older computers because of Windows 10 going end of life/support, and windows 11 having some strict security hardware requirements.
This is going to impact businesses. They are going to gobble up the market. The threat of tariffs has already started some panic buying.
We’re going to see computer prices go up in 2025-2026.
Oh believe me I'm already there. I just made the jump to start gaming on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed after using it primarily for art and dev, and 99% of what I care about runs beautifully. While the world around us seems in constant chaos...
... we're living in a great age of open source for those who seek it. :)
Just bought "old shit" 7th gen and 8th gen intel PC's, complete, for 350, with gtx1080 cards. These are still pretty good. My own pc is a 7th gen intel with a 1060 and it still does everything I want with ease. It never feels slow, except for, of course, the latest games. Which I can now run on the PC's with the 1080. I wanted to bridge a gap and found these are actually very capable for anything I throw at it.
I bet they start a trail run of windows 12 subscriptions or something for low end/discount models, rebrand windows s mode. Or they'll find another way to squeeze more ads into the desktop.
Given he put tariffs in place his prior term, good chance he actually does it again.
Things that can be done via executive order are highly likely ... Because one of his staff will draft it and he'll sign based on what they tell him it's about.
The tariffs will have to be paid by someone, and distributors will not take a hit on account of the idiot pumpkin, so it will be shifted to the end user.
Right now is a pretty good time to upgrade. Both Intel and AMD have shown their hands in the CPU market and I can personally attest to the performance of AMD's X3D CPUs. Older models with the AM4 socket will become cheaper, and AM4 motherboards are plentiful.
For as much as everyone is saying to buy now out of economic fear, I wouldn't say they are wrong, but there are several steps that will have to happen first. Tarrifs must be congressional approved first. That means the bill must be presented, debated on, voted on, then signed. I would start to worry a little when we see the bill presented, but even then if he presents some insane ranting that everyone knows will kneecap the economy for the rich, then it won't go through and I wouldn't worry. But if he lets his economic hit men write it and it is airtight, targeted, and specifically- then I would be buying my computer parts before the effective date hits for the reasons people are saying.
Their majority in the House is historically slim: they can afford to lose only a single vote. Something that is this obviously terrible for the economy will have some trouble there.
Except they'll jack prices anyway then if the tariffs don't stick they will say it was a precautionary cushion against potential tariffs while collecting the profits.
Tarrifs must be congressional approved first. That means the bill must be presented, debated on, voted on, then signed.
Unless Congress has already given the president that authority.
In early 2018 President Trump imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum imports under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962. This law states that the president can raise tariffs on imports that pose a threat to national security. Section 232 allows the President to implement these tariffs without the approval of Congress, following an investigation by the Department of Commerce. The Commerce Department has noted that threats to national security may include “fostering U.S. dependence on unreliable or unsafe imports” or “fundamentally threatening the ability of U.S. domestic industries to satisfy national security needs.”1
You're assuming that the tariffs exist in a vacuum. They do not.
As soon as vendors feel they can blame Trump/tariffs/whatever and not lose income, they will raise prices. Their costs don't need to actually go up - and if called out, they can say they're just responding to the uncertainty or whatever.
There are several reason why a President can impose tariffs without congressional approval. If he wants to do them, all he needs is a pretense, regardless how non-credible, and his own pen. Like the 'immigration emergency' that let him loot the military construction budget to build bits of border wall.
That's the biggest thing. More than anything they want us to keep buying, and they want to maximize profit. The guaranteed thing that will happen is they won't do anything that will jeopardize profits. So I'm really curious how much was just politicking, because more than anything they want the public to be dumb with their pocketbooks open.
if you need an upgrade, or will within that five years, yea. now is the time to get a reasonable upgrade vs waiting for 5 years for some of the trump stench to fade.
If you were thinking about upgrading anyway, I say do it right now. I personally just bought a new PC and projector/home theater because the ones I had were already old and on the way out. I also plan on buying a new washer/dryer set and brakes for my car, all before 1/20/25, but again, all those things needed replacing anyway.
In videocards, nV 3060 likely doubled the output nV 1060 had, and CPUs albeit slower rise in numbers too. New hardware can probably last you a good ten years or more if nothing like an entirely new demanding software happens, like if we'd start to train our AIs locally en masse. Years before the war I bought myself all new components and they are still good at digital art and video rendering, even though I know a bit more modern setup can do it 2-4x quicker. It's just obligatory smoking breaks that I don't really mind.
I was in the same position as you, except in regards to buying replacement automobile. My current car will not last another 2 to 4 years, or however long it would take for automobile prices to come back down after a major spike. I am looking back over the COVID period and using that as a predictor of what could happen in the next two years.
AND it is is not pretty. Cars are already way too expensive as it is and adding another 10% to 20% puts buying a car outside of what I am willing to do. Could I make my car last longer? Not without putting a short block in it, which is a $6000 proposition and the car might be worth $7k if it was in mint condition, which it is not. Even if I did replace the engine, it would start having the myriad of "old car problems" over the next few years and just how expensive will parts be?
What are interest rates going to be?
So instead of waiting another 6 months, where I would have enough to pretty much pay cash, I went ahead and bought a car this past Wednesday, but with a lot more financing than I really wanted to do. But with good credit, I got a sub 6% rate, I'll just pay it off faster so I don't take a bath on the interest.
Now I have a car, 2019 Camry Hybrid, with 30,000 miles on it that I feel will easily last the next 4 years without much more than maintenance. I kept my old car, I have a teen driver that needs it, and will keep it till he goes to university next August. I'll keep an eye on the used car market and when I can sell it for a good price, I will. Then use that money to pay off my current car, saving that interest.
Or I might just sell everything, go buy a boat and explore the south Pacific the next 4 years... Who knows.
Hey that's cool you were able to do that! I absolutely feel you.
I had an '06 Honda Element I bought at 119k miles as my first vehicle way back. I taught myself how to do a lot of things with that car, and thought I'd keep it running til it rust out from under me!
Well, replacing a failed sensor lead to me snapping a bolt in the engine block. Every conceivable method to get it out failed. Oil was even leaking through the SteelStik putty I used as a last resort to hold the sensor in. Mechanics wouldn't touch it, machinists wouldn't touch it. My cousin tried to help by drilling an adjacent hole (you should've seen the elaborate mirror setup to even see in there)... But we must've breached the engine because oil gore was EVERYWHERE if we tried to start it.
Basically enough was enough. I was lucky to get one of those haul away sites to give me ~$880 for it. We were using kitty litter in a desperate attempt to clean what came out of it when it got towed. But man...I owned it outright! I got it to ~210,000 miles though...
We just got a 2017 CR-V that was babied for like $22k with 70k miles on it. It's lovely, but man even with excellent credit the interest sucks and I'm wondering how we're gonna kill that debt. :(
Gotta tell you. I hate cars anymore. I've become a bit radicalized at how stupid American city planning is and I found out how lovely bicycling is. Your "explore the South Pacific in a boat" idea sounds mighty tempting. :p
True, but if you are expecting scarcity it’s better to buy new now.
I don’t know where you’re from, but here the used car market still hasn’t recovered after the covid chip shortage made new cars impossible to buy. Used cars still cost nearly as much as new ones.
Where would your new purchases come from? If its Mexico or Canada (or probably China), expect prices to rise very soon and get purchases in before 1/20. If the items come from other countries, you probably can wait a bit but if you know you will need something you may want to buy it now, just in case.
I moved forward on a car purchase because modern cars contain lots of fancy electronics that could and probably will be impacted by tariffs.
I’m not saying you should buy a car that you weren’t otherwise planning to buy, but if you need something in the electronics area, moving it up a few months might not be a terrible idea.
If they actually get implemented? There's a good chance your prices from anything that touches China will increase by most of the listed tariffs. Since it will disproportionately affect China, it's possible some stuff will eventually pull manufacturing somewhere else, but that isn't going to happen overnight. Moving manufacturing is not fast and no one else is equipped to just flip a switch and take over for them.
I am not in the US, and I have no idea of how Trumps tariffs will work, but in general I would suggest that you look at what would get you the best bang for the buck now so you can power through the next four years.
Here is a bit of an unusual suggestion, if your computer fails and you are low on funds, look into getting a Raspberry pi 4, then you have a computer you can connect to a monitor, keyboard and mouse, so you can browse the internet and do some work at least.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking, although tech is a "depreciating asset", the work I can do with it is (potentially) valuable. I have a decent fleet of computers at the moment, old laptops with Linux, an old server, and my and my wife's main rigs.
Thing is I'm a 3D artist, so I wonder if even the current setup I'm blessed with could see me behind the curve in a few years time :(.
I skimmed the thread to try and see if you mentioned any specs of your current machine, but didn't find any.
If you are looking to build a new machine before the tariffs hit, there are two ways of doing it.
Go bleeding edge now or get a decent machine that you can upgrade further later.
I tend to go for the latter, as an IT guy I value stability of older components over the bleeding edge any day.
I built my computer back in August 2021, it has a Ryzen 5600x CPU Kingston DDR4 ram, a Samsung 980 Pro NVMe SSD for booting and a B550 motherboard to tie it all together.
It is a solid machine and I picked components that had been out for a year or so to try and get passed the most bugs snd lower the cost.
This is not the build I would recommend you, you should look into the current AM5 CPUs, Intel has had some reliabillity issues with the latest gen chips, so I'd go AMD at this point. The AM5 plattform supports the new DDR5 memory standard which will enable you to keep upgrading for longer.
So, because you can point to one example where the worst-case scenario happened, we should live our lives constantly fearing the worst? Is that really what you’re arguing for here?
If it makes you feel any better, the times you were hopeful about the future were as much a matter of perspective as it is now. Pick any time you think things were going well and I can tell you how many numerous awful things happened at the same time.
I'd recommend placing a lot less weight on national politics in general. Your state government and local governments affect your life far more day to day. Your immediate family and friends also do in a different way.
Basically if you think on a large enough scale you can always find bad and good, there really is no "trend". Youll find meaningful trends on a much more micro level in my opinion.
The future doesn’t look too bright at the moment, but what’s the alternative? You’ve just got to play the hand you’ve been dealt. In Buddhism, they call it “the second arrow” when you’re in a bad situation but make it worse by overthinking it. Looking back on my life, I can think of countless times I worried about something that never even happened. I’d essentially tortured myself mentally for no reason - and that seems counterproductive.
I try to live in a way where I don’t contribute to making things worse, and wherever I can, I try to nudge things in the right direction. Beyond that, I avoid worrying any more than I already do, because intellectually, I know it’s probably wasted effort and a form of self-harm.