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We got though the pandemic fine, things were just more expensive
We had to shutdown multiple factories on just a minor blip of computer chips.
What we are talking about is a major disruption, a loss of Taiwan would mean no chips for YEARS, not just a few weeks worth of blip.
We already have chips in our brakes and everything, we just need to take care of what we have and build capacity for production in the meantime.
All the people working those factories will be furloughed or probably even laid off if the chip supply doesn't get stabilized. In fact, they were furloughed over a minor blip in TSMC production.
And that's not even tech workers like me who are directly impacted by the computer industry. I literally can't do my job without chips.
2021 supply chain crunch wasn't a "small thing" for many, many people. And that was a small chip disruption, not a big one like China invading Taiwan would be.
I'd rather the tech workers lose their jobs then send American soldiers to die in a war over global power. Like I said, China could just sell us chips if we need them so badly.
If China wins the war of Imperial Expansion vs Taiwan, they'll continue attacking outward, risking Japan and Philippines next, or maybe Korea. Hard to say what their next priority would be, but its up and out in any case.
That's the funny thing about war. When someone wins a war, there's no reason for them to stop. And these ancient empires have memories.
The safest time to handle everything is when the smallest flames of war begin. You snuff it out before it grows any larger. We're going to fight anyway, the question is if we fight for Taiwan, or if we fight at a later stage.
This is the same "Red China" that funded North Korea expansion / the Korean war. They have huge imperialistic and expansionist ambitions. Always have.
Why should I care if China is the empire vs the United States? The United States has been an imperialist, expansionist empire for centuries. You're fear-mongering, but you're really just worried about yourself and you're willing to throw soldiers into a meat grinder for your own job security.
but you’re really just worried about yourself
Yup. I'm a selfish asshole who lives here and cares about my job, my livelihood, and the people I support.
Fuck you too.
But you don't care about the people you want to send off to die? Don't you see how that is selfish?
It's especially bad when you look at the class background of military recruits compared to tech jobs. You're sending the poors to die.
You can get another job, but those families can't get new sons and daughters.
But you don’t care about the people you want to send off to die? Don’t you see how that is selfish?
My uncle is in the marines. So are many of my close friends. Of course I care. But there's also our interests that must be protected.
It’s especially bad when you look at the class background of military recruits compared to tech jobs. You’re sending the poors to die.
Marines in the family yo. You ain't gonna be able to play this card on me. And its the Marines specifically who'd be tasked to protect Taiwan, given the terrain. (Island hopping specialists). Believe me, I know.
You know who are some of the most gung ho people with regards to going out and fighting for us? Even more so than US Army, US Navy or US Air Force?
Marines. I'm serious. If you knew them, you'd know what I'm talking about. Do you know any marines or are you just hypothetically laying out this discussion on me as if I'm an ignorant dumbass? Our job, most of the time, is to hold the Marines back from fighting. They are a bit mad and war-mongery more so than the rest of us. Its in the culture of the Marines.
So its our responsibility to point them in the right direction of what is worthwhile to fight, and what isn't worthwhile. Taiwan would be much, much more important than the desert we sent them to last time.
I'm not playing a card, it seems like you really do value your job over the lives of your military relatives and friends. That's wild to me, but everyone has their own set of values. Yours are demonstrably self-interested.
Again, I see no good reason why the US has to be involved in another imperialist war abroad.
Because the imperialist is China. Not the USA in this case. If you don't like imperialism, then you need to fight back against expansion.
USA hasn't "expanded" in Asia for decades. This is protecting people of Taiwan, who are very close allies of the USA and critical to our economy, while preventing wanton imperial / expansionist China from getting bad ideas for the next decades.
Like, for every "imperialism" word you use in that post above, I'm wondering why you're cool with Chinese expansion or any of the other asshole stuff they've done.
The US is imperialist, and defending Taiwan to maintain a friendly business relationship would just be just another manifestation of that. I don't think the US needs to be world police for China's expansionism. If we're going to interfere with China's business, maybe intervening in the ongoing genocide of Uyghur people would be a good use of military power. But that doesn't help you and your cushy tech job!!
The US is imperialist, and defending Taiwan to maintain a friendly business relationship would just be just another manifestation of that
Yup, defending countries is imperialism. /s Your logic is so great.
maybe intervening in the ongoing genocide of Uyghur people would be a good use of military power.
I thought attacking other countries was imperialism? EDIT: Seriously, what do you want us to do? Invade fucking China over this incident?
Your concept of what is, or isn't, Imperialism is laughable. Defending a country == Imperialism to you, but expanding our region and taking over part of China (where Uyghurs are) isn't imperialism? Or what, how exactly are we supposed to stop China from doing that?