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What's your Sci-Fi unpopular opinion?

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My Sci-fi unpopular opinion is that 2001: A Space Odyssey is nothing but pretentious, LSD fueled nonsense. I've tried watching it multiple times and each time I have absolutely no patience for the pointless little scenes which contain little to no depth or meaningful plot, all coalescing towards that 15 minute "journey" through space and series of hallucinations or whatever that are supposed to be deep, shake you to your foundations, and make you re-think the whole human condition.

But it doesn't. Because it's just pretentious, LSD fueled nonsense. Planet of the Apes was released in the same year and is, on every level, a better Sci-fi movie. It offers mystery, a consistent and engaging plot, relatable characters you actually care about, and asks a lot more questions about the world and our place in it.

It insists upon itself, Lois.

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  • The writing in The Three-Body Problem is so dry that I could barely keep up with the plot due to being deceased from boredom.

    Totally a me problem but it just did not vibe with me. I could never bring myself to read the second book. Tho to be fair to Ken Liu I have trouble with translations in general and I've never read a translation of Chinese-language literature I did vibe with.

    • You know, I'm really with you on this one. I read it, and it never rose above a resounding "meh" from me.

    • My big dislike of the Three Body Problem is somewhat meta. The Fermi Paradox solution that it presents, the Dark Forest hypothesis, only "works" in the books because the author made up a bunch of magic technologies and just-so scenarios to make it work. But ever since then /r/Fermiparadox has been overrun with "what about the Dark Forest??" shower thoughts.

      I guess it's not so much a problem I have with the Three Body Problem as it is a problem I have with humanity in general.

      • Arguably it doesn't work in-universe, either, as proven by the fact that... well, it literally doesn't work, the dark forest is plenty bright by the time it all gets wrapped up.

        From a western perspective the idea that the entire planet would successfully suppress a Dune-style disapora because "either we all make it or none of us does" also seems absurd, but it's not just a humanity prerequisite for the plot, it's a universal prerequisite for the dark forest, at least if the technology rollout is somewhat plausible.

        Also, see above my point about Star Trek under the Prime Directive technically being a dark forest. Which is a funny meme, but also makes just as much sense as the TBP solution.

        But hey, it's fun to think about for a minute and not that much wonkier than the Foundation or Dune takes on the same scale of problems. Except perhaps the slightly harder sci-fi approach making people take it more seriously than it deserves.

    • I wasn't a big fan, either. I think for me it was cultural; I had trouble understanding the main character's motivations and why she made the decisions she did.

    • I think there are some forms of world building that just aren't everyone's cup of tea. It requires a certain willingness to be completely confused, lost, and aimlessly wandering with no discernable plot goal to get through something like 3BP, the first few episodes of The Expanse, or Chris Nolan's Tenet.

      But can I tell you that holy shit, the reveal in 3BP is probably the single best set up and truly unexpected, shocking payoff for any fiction I've ever read. It's just one of those "you can only experience it for the first time once" moments that will stick with me that I wish I could help other people experience.

      But I get it, the price you pay to get there is steep. That book is dense.

    • Yep, totally agree with you there. Couldn't get past the first chapter, just glazed over and gave up

    • Hah. I read the whole thing in pretty much one long sitting over a weekend, so I don't think I quite agree. I was way more bothered by the obvious propaganda than I was about the writing or the translation. But then again that's pretty frequent in all sci-fi, don't think I don't notice it just as much in US media.

      EDIT: I also don't quite thing its game theory approach to the Fermi paradox makes too much sense, but once again, that one is shared with a lot of other hard sci-fi.

      EDIT EDIT: Oh, here's a fun one: given the Prime Directive, Star Trek is technically a "dark forest" sci-fi setting. That one may need its own thread.

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