/c/café daily chat thread for 23 June 2023
/c/café daily chat thread for 23 June 2023
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Double-checking for you guys on Lemmy: you can also see who upvoted right? It federates into a like on the microblog side.
I don't think we can see who upvote and downvote tho, else i'd love to see who's the serial downvoter lol if it happened here
Would love to know if this is true! I'd be surprised if they chose to expose this data vs just sending a feed of anonymised vote deltas.
@dcx @Annoyed_Crabby lol i think because kbin was written as being both link aggregation like Lemmy but also microblogging like Mastodon, Calckey, Akkoma etc. And before Reddit, the expectation must be because the main audience will be bloggers who'll be visiting from federated spaces (chewah cam star trek). So upvote maps to likes; boosts is reblogs; downvotes go nowhere (since blogging platforms don't have these).
It's memang quite interpretative dance la - Calckey (and all the *keys) can give emoji reacts but it just shows up as likes on my Masto fork.
That's why I thought i better bring it up. It semi looks like Reddit but backend lain sikit.
Anyway.... I can see... But idk if adding a photo will add load so here's the direct link of this comm on kbin.social: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/77005/c-cafe-daily-chat-thread-for-23-June-2023#entry-comment-342733
Each comment has a More - then select Activity ok kesian runs away like Discord before the Trojan War
Huh, interesting. So that's mean cannot see downvote over there as well.
whelp, now i cannot secretly upvote people now
@Annoyed_Crabby oh no, downvote also I can see, being a kbin user. It's the other microblog protocols that won't register anything. (if you feel nak lepas geram, this may be useful info, if you're adding any fedi accounts to your timeline/stream/subscription view (I assume you guys have this)
Wait, so it's specific to kbin users?
And... Uh actually I'm not sure how to map these in my mind...
Lemmy only user could not have these features, however kbin user who happens to be a lemmy user could have these feature..
Tbh, it's kinda confusing a bit
@YourClarke hahaha don't worry. I've really only been on Fedi since Nov 22 and kbin at the same time as you guys set up this Lemmy instance. I think the redditors will get the hang of it, certainly faster than Twitterjaya (I'm in perma-eyeroll mode since you guys arrived, because those are my gang. I'm even here cos someone made a big fuss about Elon. Guess where they are at now? Twitter ppl are babies. Mastodon as a platform was at least a few years old and they whined so much. Boo hoo have to pick instance, dunno who to talk to, feed so empty blablabla. But look at you guys! Most of the two major protocols are still held together by string lmao and you make it work.)
The main thing about Fedi protocols is that janji we can roughly talk to each other. Some functionalities across the microblogs pun not shared (I've only mentioned a couple), but it's doable, we make it work. Since joining my to-read tabs blew up and there's less Main Character discourse. So it's been a real nice change. But i was missing Malaysia content and community A LOT (hence my eyeroll at Twitterjaya). The current kbin state of things pun (like how when I'm logged on my kbin.social account i can see who upvoted) is probably because of what i explained above but also it's not even three months old. Lmao the dev is just some Polish kid. Lemmy is much older but a lot of ppl avoided because the main instance and devs are full-on tankies. The Reddit wave made it moot since you can always 1) make your instance; 2) fork the programme if tak puas hati with those devs and maintain your own codebase.
In any case for your example you get Lemmy features when your account is on an instance running Lemmy and kbin when otherwise but not both at the same time. Takpe, it's not gonna be too hard. And besides monyet.cc is set up, so at least you know how to hang out here. And from here, if you're signed in as monyet.cc accounts, you absolutely can find other comms such as kbin ones too. Can one can one :)
For example, I can't crosspost when sending articles over here because kbin doesn't have it yet. So I'm also still a bit handicapped. Hahaha
Thanks! I think I could faham a bit. At least I got the rough picture already
Btw, about Twitter... All this while, I have only used Reddit je since the past few years. I tried taking a look at Twitter before and well...the Twitterjaya felt so 'ganas'. I don't mean the literal violence haha but idk something about their replies and threads screams aggressiveness. And they seemed easy to get angry by things?
Hahaha I'll just stay in this Lemmy/Reddit pool, apparently.
It's the soapbox syndrome kot. My mutuals and i here were talking it over, what made redditors more willing to stick but not Twitterjaya and we figured, having islands like these instances or communities isn't so different as subs. But also because the social incentives are different. Over there you pose and flex on your soapbox regularly enough you get followers. Over on the more forum setups, you just naikkan the forum's energy, and ppl flock to the forum not the user necessarily. 24/7 rap battle over there, otoh.
Boo hoo have to pick instance
tbf this is definitely a major cause of analysis paralysis. otoh when monyet.cc sprung up I immediately knew which one to sign up to. it gave me confidence to take the plunge.
I totes get that. In my mind I'm thinking of those who did set up accounts, posted like two posts, or nothing but their twitter xposts ... And then balik to Twitterjaya because no spoonfed outrage algos to get them their audience haih. I also waited until one of my forum kaki set up a small instance, and then i stayed. It's not like twitter getting better also. (and maybe i wouldn't have minded if a couple of them didn't make such a big deal about moving until asking me often if I've moved yet, hahahahaha)
Nice, good to know! Will be very useful in the future
Thanks!
Damn I would need more time to get used to these haha
Betrayed by autocorrect, i wanted to say ok sekian lmao
Ooh... that's weird. Good to know, thanks. I'll add something to the Switching to Lemmy guide
Very nice to expose serial downvoter and expel them. Ohh btw, is there any way you can check what's up with the huge discrepancy between registered user vs user-per-month? There's like 1533 inactive user for no apparent reason. Bot? Sleeper?
Oh! Just to add to that though, our stats are probably actually much larger than are reflected on those stats.
- There's this thing called the 90-9-1 rule - 90-99% of users lurk. I've found this to hold true on r/my and elsewhere.
- Especially on Lemmy where they have to create an account to even upvote - whereas most lurkers on reddit are probably registered.
- Lemmy doesn't seem to report pageview count
- Someone told me they switched over so they could get their news feed back
- So I suspect we may have as many as 3-5k daily active users, but just like on reddit, they lurk
If you're a lurker reading this, please do consider creating an account! There's no email address required. It's motivating for us to see higher signup numbers :)
So i've been lurking in one of the lemmy admin chat and...
(https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/fb735721-2393-4db4-aac1-18a8e76d2128.png)
good thing there's captcha
Oh yeah I looked into that.
- Users-per-month is only the count of users who created lemmy accounts on monyet.cc.
- Registered users includes users who have visited from federated sites. I'm not sure what triggers the "registration" - I suspect just viewing one of our subs is enough, since we aren't seeing any major volume of upvotes or subscriptions
- For our first day we also had a problem with someone running a bot account creation script. I added a captcha and it went away. At some point I'll probably purge these. (Not sure how many)
You can see the federated users in per-community subscription counts btw, e.g. !cafe is in the 80+ users.
Ahh i see. From what i learned, i think visiting from another sub mean their account will be "registered" under the server, maybe to create cache or something. That's my hypothesis anyway ahaha
