Kbin.social Russia megathread
Kbin.social Russia megathread
I saw some other servers have megathreads so following suit
Edit: as the situation progresses some live cams may go down
I post Telegram links because that's the social media platform many Russians use
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DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A MACHINE TRANSLATION OF AN UNVERIFIED TELEGRAM POST
Source: PMC "Wagner" can directly subordinate to the President of the Russian Federation - one of the conditions of the deal with Prigozhin.
According to Cooperative sources, during the negotiations between Lukashenka and Yevgeny Prigozhin, a decision was made to directly subordinate the Wagner structures to Vladimir Putin. Mercenaries are no longer required to sign contracts with the Ministry of Defense.
The criminal case against Prigogine will also be dropped.
There is no official confirmation of this information yet.
If this is true, Prigozhin, Putin, or MoD will be dead within a week. No way this will be sustainable. Prigozhin made himself the defacto #2 and defied the regime without consequences. Putin only got more time in office without civil war. It feels like this is far from over.
What is going on? It seems highly unlikely that they will both let bygones be bygones and just get back to business as usual, minus Shoigu. No one has challenged Putin like this before, and many people have been killed for much less. Unless Prigozhin is stupid he must know this. And it seems unlikely Putin was in on this scheme to get rid of the military leadership, since he could already have done that any time.
Was Prigozhin scared off by the reports of Kadyrov's forces heading his way? Is he just stalling for time now while he tries to figure out how he and Wagner can survive?
This entire thing makes Russia and Putin look weak. I don't get why people keep assuming it's some ruse he's in on.
Because in a twisted way, russian government is extremely legalistic, so their actions - or what they would ever even contemplate of doing and not doing - is tied up into Byzantine knots.
Because they are medieval in outlook, expressed in their admiration for "shows of strength" and their obsession for "saving face".It is said that the same document in russian is nearly twice as long as its' translation in English, because of all the adornments and nuances. As I can't get the nuances in the words being exchanged and the commentaries around it, I wonder if what they say and what they mean has more leeway and is more open to interpretation than what we can pick up from here.