Friendship ended with Debian and Docker. Now Fedora and Podman are my best friends.
Friendship ended with Debian and Docker. Now Fedora and Podman are my best friends.
Until yesterday, I didn’t even know you could use the docker images and the same docker-compose configs with Podman.
The UI you are looking at is Cockpit, which can be installed on almost any Linux Server. I have used it before but I am amazed by its integration with Podman.
Seriously, consider trying this, once.
Here's another screenshot of Cockpit:
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I originally excited by Podman, but ultimately migrated away from it. Friendship ended with Ubuntu and Docker -> CentOS and Podman -> Proxmox + Debian LXC (which has its own irritations but anyway). Off the top of my head:
- Can't attach a containers to multiple networks. Most of my Docker Compose stacks have an Nginx reverse proxy and a network for each service.
- But you can use pods. However since they share the same network interface if you have multiple legacy services that both insist on, say, port 80 they can't be in the same pod. They also don't isolate services, nor can you assert a specific pod is the one listening on a forwarded port.
- Pods also have DNS issues with Nginx. It kept crashing since it couldn't resolve the hostnames of the other containers in the pod, even if they were already running. If you launch a shell inside an Nginx container the other container hostnames resolve fine. I suspect the problem is the container is launched before its behind-the-scenes DNS infrastructure is ready.
- Podman lets you use secrets on normal containers (yay) but if the secret changes you have to recreate the container. Amazing synergy with rotating TLS certificates.
- Endless issues with SELinux and bind mounts. My Nginx container kept crashing because SELinux didn't like the TLS certificate bind mount. This is where I reflected on the endless parade of random issues that I had no interest in solving and finally threw in the towel.
I brought all this up in another community and was told the problem was [paraphrased] "people keep trying to use Podman like they use Docker" - whatever that means. I do like a number of design choices in it, like including the command used to create containers in the metadata, and how it's easy to integrate into SystemD for things like scheduled updates.
Cockpit is pretty slick though, need to install it on my bare metal Debian host.
how do you use proxmox + debian lxc?
I use that too, but run services + caddy reverse proxy with docker compose inside
I've read that docker should not be used inside containers, but it has worked for me. I have wireguard in a VM, I think I had some issues there
Mostly just as a wrapper for Docker. The main issue I've run into is Docker's union file system functionality doesn't work when backed by ZFS, so disk usage can balloon out of control. I wouldn't use this in production but don't tell me how to live my life mom.
Beyond various Docker stacks I also have a Certbot container that uses Snap (sigh), and Hashicorp Vault container which runs as a vanilla SystemD service. I run Wireguard as part of my OPNSense VM. That's something I would run in a VM since it's exposed to the internet. I have an older MinIO and Concourse CI Docker Compose config that I'd love to run in LXC but I suspect that isn't realistic.
Note on Vault, I haven't been able to get mlock to work (used to prevent sensitive memory from being swapped). By all accounts it should just work in LXC, but since it isn't and there's no swap on the host I just turned it off. I may migrate Vault to a VM at some point.
I'm personally just interested in lightweight environments with good enough isolation and don't break all the time over nothing. Docker mostly accomplishes that for me. LXC + Docker also mostly accomplishes that.
(My heart yearns for FreeBSD Jails but with decent tooling)
I use Docker inside Debian LXC on Proxmox, there’s a way to avoid the crazy disk usage and it works really nicely. I followed these blog posts:
https://theorangeone.net/posts/docker-in-lxc/
https://theorangeone.net/posts/docker-lxc-storage/
I’m certainly not using it in production but it’s great in the home lab.