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Tankies reaction to Beehaw removing itself from Lemmy -- "When you adopt an anti-communist stance, you pave the way for unhealthy social trends to takeover" also apparently Beehaw are fascists?

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  • The state can also control everything. In which case, China, Vietnam and Cuba.

    • That's authoritarianism, not communism.

      • Which can coincide with communism, see China.

        • No it cannot, that's not communism. China is as communist as North Korea is democratic. Just because a country calls itself something does not make it that thing.

          • Countries can have multiple different systems in place. China for example, is an authoritarian communist state.

            • Communism by definition cannot be authoritarian. So no, China is not an authoritarian communist state, it's just a an authoritarian state.

              The only way for China to be communist is to give all people direct communal ownership of goods and services.

              • Communism can be authoritarian, though, as it has been in history.

                What's your basis for this definition?

                • No it cannot because communism by definition must be a classless society. If there is a group above others that controls the state, it is no longer classless, and therefore not communist.

                  And you know, the name derives from communal, so no communal ownership = no communism.

                  • Again, what's your basis for this definition?

                    • Generally speaking Marxists and those operating on schools of thought derived or related to Marxism use Marx's original definition of 'Communism' as the end goal of a stateless society, with a socialist state as the necessary intermediate point. This unfortunately gets muddled when people say "I'm a Communist" (meaning I'm forming a socialist state to ACHIEVE communism) and just end up forming a socialist (or 'socialist') state.

                    • I just told you.

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