Horseshoe Theory keeps coming true, Tankies regurgitating altright conspiracies: "the Proud Boys were revealed to be basically an FBI op based on how much of the leadership were informants."
So what you are saying is that not only was the leader not an FBI employee, but a rat, but also that he was an unwilling rat at that. You just defeated your own argument.
He was working toward the goals the FBI directed him to because the alternative was jail time. I don’t really care about wether he was on the payroll or not.
Yes! We agree on this. It’s not some crazy conspiracy that a leader of the proud boys was working with the FBI, whether by choice or not isn’t really important.
The issue is that you want to insinuate, that Jan 6th was in a not insignificant way influenced by the FBI, when all that was really said was, that the leader was forced to snitch on his own people.
I actually kind of doubt he was forced at all. These guys love cops and I could easily see them informing just because they believe the cops are on their side.
Im not insinuating they influenced it at all. I won't say it's out of the realm of possibility, but ultimately what does it matter if their highly placed informant didn't give them enough warning to get ahead of Jan 6th? They may or may not have encouraged it but I doubt they were unaware. Was their inaction incompetence or were they complicit?
There are twisted incentives, and the FBI and police have been known to send low level offenders into dangerous situations on threat of extreme jail sentences, but that's not what happened here.
The proud boys are a domestic terrorist organization, and always have been. Their membership handbook lays out how to advance in the organization, and one of the steps is to go out and get into a fight with people who the proud boys consider "enemies". Just go out into the streets and bodily attack someone, and possibly get arrested for doing so.
I guess the final step is to turn informant and squeal like a stuck piggy.
I'm confused. I honestly can't tell what side you're on. Your tone appears to be in support of the conspiracy, but your comments actual content appears to be otherwise. I can't tell if this is miscommunication or what.
I’m saying that there were, factually people working with the FBI in high ranking positions of the Proud Boys and it’s not really conspiracy to say so. You can read as much or as little into that as you want.
The side I’m on is that Proud Boys, whatever their origin or how many of their leaders were FBI stooges, all belong in fucking jail.