If you murder murderers, do you get closer to The Good Place, or closer to The Bad Place?
If you murder murderers, do you get closer to The Good Place, or closer to The Bad Place?
If you murdered every murderer, you should get enough points to go to The Good Place, right?
Hypothetically speaking of course. I'm obliged by lemmy.world rules to state that I do not condone murder. 😉
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Murdering murderers makes one a murderer. If one is going to ignore any context and mitigating factors, no, murdering murderers does not result in net good.
E.g., people who have killed in self defense have been tagged as murderers. Murdering them is not at all a good thing (in my moral framework, at least).
E.g. #2, murdering one person for Reasons does not necessarily mean a murderer is going to murder again. So murdering them adds to the overall murder tally without necessarily preventing any additional murders.
There has to be some element of preventing future murders, not just retribution of past murders, for this to even be a debate, IMO. And then there's the bar of simply locking them up being insufficient to prevent them murdering in the future.
Murder is the unlawful or unjustifiable killing of another person. If you kill someone in legitimate self-defense, you are not a murderer.
This, of course, doesn't stop a lot of murderers from falsely claiming self-defense.
Murdering all murderers can't conceivably be "self-defense", making it unlawful.
I was simply responding to his assertion that "people who have killed in self defense have been tagged as murderers".
And how would one know with 100% certainly a person killed in self-defense despite being labeled a murderer by the applicable legal system?
It assumes an impossible perfect knowledge. Or if not perfect knowledge, some percentage of error, making the murderer of murderers guilty of occasionally murdering an innocent self-defense killer.
unjustifiable
What if its justifiable but illegal?
Then you become an enemy of the state and get perp walked on the news for something that happens in major cities every day.